Away Match Day Thread 10/04/2023: L1 Port Vale v OUFC

Who was your MOTM?

  • No one

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • Eastwood

    Votes: 95 75.4%
  • Long

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Negru

    Votes: 14 11.1%
  • Findlay

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Brown

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • McGuane

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Brannagan

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Browne

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Joseph

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • O'Donkor

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Murphy

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Sub: Wildschut

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sub: Fleming

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sub: Smith

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    126
  • Poll closed .
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We had the second highest away attendance in league 1 today. We also took 500+ more than Scum did to Tranmere. It's not all that bad.


Look at the teams that were playing away. We should be coming out on top more often than not in the away following stakes based on the travelling teams, today.

Just for context, we took 111 less than Carlisle took to Walsall and 2002 less than what Grimsby took to Donny.
 
I have to blame Manning for the mindset of the players. They seem to be so risk averse that all passes are safe ie not progressive. You can’t score goals like that. Why Smyth and Goodrham aren’t more involved I find worrying and yet wildschut is??

We were shipping goals so he has made us tighter and harder to beat but are we really less creative now than under Robinson? I don't remember us being that progressive under Robinson but garbage defensively.
 
Another point, but that was dismal.
We’ve learnt how not to lose, but we do not know how to win !
I’m a glass half full person, but at the moment that glass contains cloudy lemonade .
 
Another point, but that was dismal.
We’ve learnt how not to lose, but we do not know how to win !
I’m a glass half full person, but at the moment that glass contains cloudy lemonade .
It's all about survival, a point away from home, and a clean sheet, take that all day
 
Look at the teams that were playing away. We should be coming out on top more often than not in the away following stakes based on the travelling teams, today.

Just for context, we took 111 less than Carlisle took to Walsall and 2002 less than what Grimsby took to Donny.
Not great examples considering Carlisle are going for the top 3 and there is a massive feel good atmosphere around their club right now (led by a lot of positive social media interaction) and Donny is an hour down the road from Grimsby which is one of their closest games of the season.

If we want fans to come back in their numbers then the club need to pull their finger out and start getting better on the various social media platforms.

I assume we still do have a SLO?!
 
We need anderson back can’t watch long anymore passes the ball to the other team more than anyone on the pitch and looks so slow
 
Yet more sideways and backwards passing usually preceding an aimless hoof. Players dont seem to have any confidence in their teammates consequently leading to going backwards endlessly....
 
Yet more sideways and backwards passing usually preceding an aimless hoof. Players dont seem to have any confidence in their teammates consequently leading to going backwards endlessly....
Sounds like a clotet side, crab football, folllowed by players failing to shoot.
 
I am baffled by TGs lack of minutes. He showed glimpses of real talent in his brief cameos and he is young and unafraid. I hope to god there hasnt been some sort KR style falling out. Its not as if anyone who is playing instead of him has done anything particularly good.
 
In the same way that I praised Manning last week for his tactics, I'm going to criticise him today.

Dull, uninspired, defensive and boring against a team there for the taking. I honestly don't think we will win again this season. I think we are down but if not, it's an absolute miracle as we are absolute f*****g SHITE.
 
Highly frustrating performance today. Vale were there for the taking. They had just been tonked 3-0 at Accrington and were low on confidence (16 points from their last possible 60, I think), but we came out so risk adverse and unwilling to attack that we gave them confidence, leading to some of their fans saying that the second half was the best they played for some time.

I love that Manning has made us harder to beat and we have kept 2 clean sheets but that doesn’t have to come at the expense of zero attacking threat. The two things are not mutually exclusive. You can set up a team to be defensively solid and have a structure out of possession without losing all attacking impetus. For those that say what can he do with the players at his disposal, the answer is that the players don’t have to be instructed to pass the ball so slowly. When most of our attacks begin with 7-8 languorous passes along our back four, you let the other team get set up and get players behind the ball. The point of this passing is meant to move the opposition out of position but our passing is so slow that this cannot be our purpose. Unsurprisingly, after making several slow sideways passes, the horrific squad KR built cannot play through 10-11 opposition players to create chances, meaning our only hope of scoring goals are a) set pieces/penalties or b) very rare counter attacks that buck the above trend. Result: four games, two goals (one from open play). Think back to how many times one of our players tried to take on and beat an opponent today. Almost everyone on the pitch wearing yellow (away from home finally!) was far happier making a safe backwards or sideways 5 yard pass (Fleming being a notable exception as someone who appeared interested in dribbling and trying to take on a player as well as an outstanding defensive block at a corner).

I lost count of the number of times Sam Long had the ball with space in front of him and then either a) passed backwards inside to the centre back, or b) accelerated 5 yards forward into the space until he faced their wing back and then, instead of looking to play forwards, turned 180 degrees and played it back to our centre half or a deep lying midfielder. Ben Purkiss noticed the second “tactic” on commentary and appeared equally baffled by it.

Subs again were poor today to put it kindly - no Smyth or Smith when McGuane was a mistimed tackle away from a red and O’Donker was exhausted by 75 minutes. Tyler G must be wondering what he has to do to get minutes on the pitch when he sees the poor performances of Murphy and Yanic. Hard to say Murphy played badly today, as I think he must have touched the ball fewer than 15 times. Browne seemed allergic to passing to Murphy and I wonder if this has spread to his teammates. Browne is another incredibly infuriating player with his propensity to choose the wrong option in the final third, and give away daft fouls, but he’s the only one in the front 4 who is likely to create something out of nothing, so I don’t understand why he was taken off after an hour when I thought we should have been desperately trying to win the game.

The lack of urgency that we showed throughout today was also very strange. Every time the ball went out, we were happy to take our time getting the ball back into play, particularly Eastwood. It was clearly a tactic. For the last 4 minutes when we are playing against 10 men, there was no urgency to get the ball forward to win 3 points and instead we were content to continue knocking it between the back four. I was similarly unimpressed with the lack of ambition going forward after Moore went off injured in the final 15-20 minutes on Friday against Sheffield Wednesday - another team low on confidence who we could have troubled and fought hard for 3 points but again just seemed to settle for one.

Time will tell, and I really hope I’m wrong, but I have a horrible feeling that 4 successive draws in the last 4 games is not ultimately going to be enough. If today wasn’t the day to try to take off the handbrake to try to finally win a game, in which game is the handbrake finally going to come off??

Manning has done a lot of good in the past month, and while I fully embraced the tactics to get a point at Peterborough and disagreed with but could understand the hesitancy to attack the league leaders at home, I think it is legitimate to question why he seemed so content to play for a draw today against an extremely poor team. It was a very painful watch on ifollow so fair play to the 975 who travelled to watch that dire fare.

What to do for the next 2 home games? It’s tough but 4-2-3-1 with wingers isn’t working for us offensively. Playing with Murphy and Yanic right now is like playing with 10 men (or 9 when they are both on together). If you are going to play wingers, Browne has to play wide left, Joseph or Tyler G wide right but we have no one who can play as a no 10 so it’s either 4-3-3 (4-5-1 out of possession) or 3-5-2 and wing backs which only works on the right if Anderson is fit.
 
Lets not get carried away, 4 pts from those games isnt a disaster, 3 away draws and a home draw with the league leaders. We have also increased the gap from some of those below us. Agreed we didn't play well and its frustrating, but a win against Bolton and it might all look a lot more positive. Unfortunately our so called "star players" are absolutely useless at the moment, there is no quality whatsoever, so I'm also surprised Goodrham hasn't seen any minutes under Manning (if he had done his research, he would have seen how influential he has been this season compared to the others). At least we are still unbeaten under Manning. On to Bolton.
 
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If Negru and Moore are out for Bolton, I'd think a back 3/5 would be the answer, except I can't figure out who would play right wing back - Tyler Goodrham maybe?
 
If Negru and Moore are out for Bolton, I'd think a back 3/5 would be the answer, except I can't figure out who would play right wing back - Tyler Goodrham maybe?
If they are both out, then it has to be a four: long, Findlay, brown, Fleming, with Smyth to centre back the option if someone gets injured during the game
 
Lets not get carried away, 4 pts from those games isnt a disaster, 3 away draws and a home draw with the league leaders. We have also increased the gap from some of those below us. Agreed we didn't play well and its frustrating, but a win against Bolton and it might all look a lot more positive. Unfortunately our so called "star players" are absolutely useless at the moment, there is no quality whatsoever, so I'm also surprised Goodrham hasn't seen any minutes under Manning (if he had done his research, he would have seen how influential he has been this season compared to the others). At least we are still unbeaten under Manning. On to Bolton.
What do you mean at the moment, they’ve been useless all season.
 
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