National News Boris Johnson - Ousted Former PM

[RyanioBirdio]

To be fair I can`t see much wrong with this.....
"The government says Parliament is sovereign and can pass laws which breach the UK's international treaty obligations."

Now it might have ruffled the EU`s feathers but from an internal point of view....

"The bill proposes no new checks on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain. It gives UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods that will come into force from 1 January, if the UK and EU are unable to strike a trade deal. "

So the Government preserve the Good Friday agreement and retain the Union without ceding to Ireland/EU.

Sometimes you have to play hard ball and face down what could be an immense difficulty if a pseudo-border is created and the ongoing issues that will cause.

I do expect us to honour the agreements that we sign and put through our own parliament, following a vote from our democratically elected representatives, above all else. Especially when the MPs currently serving and who therefore voted for this deal, which was necessary to get around a legally binding amendment, were put there on the assurance that there was an ‘oven ready’ deal. That was the deal with the public: that there was a deal. I think it’s a little rich of the people who said we should have our laws respected and controlled solely by Westminster, and that attempts to stop what is now happening from happening were undemocratic, to then take this path. I don’t think that’s unreasonable or something that can really be argued. They’ve moved the goalposts after telling everybody on all sides that they wouldn’t.

This isn’t an isolated issue, either. The EU are angry because we signed an agreement seemingly with no intention of honouring it, which will alert every other country we intend on doing business with that we might well be disingenuous and untrustworthy. Which is basically all of them. It would be incredibly naive to claim or believe that this is as simple as shrugging at Brussels in isolation and going, “So what?”

We aren’t flogging someone a second hand sofa. It kind of matters if we behave like rogues.

 

[Sarge]

I do expect us to honour the agreements that we sign and put through our own parliament, following a vote from our democratically elected representatives, above all else. Especially when the MPs currently serving and who therefore voted for this deal, which was necessary to get around a legally binding amendment, were put there on the assurance that there was an ‘oven ready’ deal. That was the deal with the public: that there was a deal. I think it’s a little rich of the people who said we should have our laws respected and controlled solely by Westminster, and that attempts to stop what is now happening from happening, to then take this path. I don’t think that’s unreasonable or something that can really be argued. They’ve moved the goalposts after telling everybody on all sides that they wouldn’t.

This isn’t an isolated issue, either. The EU are angry because we signed an agreement seemingly with no intention of honouring it, which will alert every other country we intend on doing business with that we might well be disingenuous and untrustworthy. Which is basically all of them. It would be incredibly naive to claim or believe that this is as simple as shrugging at Brussels in isolation and going, “So what?”

We aren’t flogging someone a second hand sofa. It kind of matters if we behave like rogues.

good post that ^^

 

[Steve McAvoy]

I do expect us to honour the agreements that we sign and put through our own parliament, following a vote from our democratically elected representatives, above all else. Especially when the MPs currently serving and who therefore voted for this deal, which was necessary to get around a legally binding amendment, were put there on the assurance that there was an ‘oven ready’ deal. That was the deal with the public: that there was a deal. I think it’s a little rich of the people who said we should have our laws respected and controlled solely by Westminster, and that attempts to stop what is now happening from happening were undemocratic, to then take this path. I don’t think that’s unreasonable or something that can really be argued. They’ve moved the goalposts after telling everybody on all sides that they wouldn’t.

This isn’t an isolated issue, either. The EU are angry because we signed an agreement seemingly with no intention of honouring it, which will alert every other country we intend on doing business with that we might well be disingenuous and untrustworthy. Which is basically all of them. It would be incredibly naive to claim or believe that this is as simple as shrugging at Brussels in isolation and going, “So what?”

We aren’t flogging someone a second hand sofa. It kind of matters if we behave like rogues.

Yes, I think many of us are being introduced to just how shallow ‘populism’ is. Unfortunately it is proving extremely popular ( the clue is in the name).

 

[Essexyellows]

Tum te tum........... we can`t/won`t be able to do deals with the rest of the world as an independent nation?
Sorry to ruin your Friday...
"The UK has secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation and will increase trade with Japan by an estimated £15.2 billion. "
And.....
"The deal is also an important step towards joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). This will give UK businesses a gateway to the Asia-Pacific region and help to increase the resilience and diversity of our supply chains.
UK businesses will benefit from tariff-free trade on 99% of exports to Japan."

UK and Japan agree historic free trade agreement

The UK has today secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation.

www.gov.uk

 

[SteMerritt]

Sorry to ruin your Friday...
"The UK has secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation and will increase trade with Japan by an estimated £15.2 billion. "

Working for a Japanese company, as I do, any news of a deal with Japan will most certainly make my day, so fingers crossed it is sorted.

 

[chuckbert]

Working for a Japanese company, as I do, any news of a deal with Japan will most certainly make my day, so fingers crossed it is sorted.

And no danger of spin in that announcement, of course

 

[SteMerritt]

And no danger of spin in that announcement, of course

Don't.... ? ? ?

I did think the timing of the announcement was "convenient" with what is happening with the EU talks at the moment...

 

[Essexyellows]

I do expect us to honour the agreements that we sign and put through our own parliament, following a vote from our democratically elected representatives, above all else. Especially when the MPs currently serving and who therefore voted for this deal, which was necessary to get around a legally binding amendment, were put there on the assurance that there was an ‘oven ready’ deal. That was the deal with the public: that there was a deal. I think it’s a little rich of the people who said we should have our laws respected and controlled solely by Westminster, and that attempts to stop what is now happening from happening were undemocratic, to then take this path. I don’t think that’s unreasonable or something that can really be argued. They’ve moved the goalposts after telling everybody on all sides that they wouldn’t.

This isn’t an isolated issue, either. The EU are angry because we signed an agreement seemingly with no intention of honouring it, which will alert every other country we intend on doing business with that we might well be disingenuous and untrustworthy. Which is basically all of them. It would be incredibly naive to claim or believe that this is as simple as shrugging at Brussels in isolation and going, “So what?”

We aren’t flogging someone a second hand sofa. It kind of matters if we behave like rogues.

"Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi defended the legislation as necessary in case existing "ambiguities" in the Withdrawal Agreement are not settled through the formal dispute resolution process.
It's not about if we implement the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Irish protocol, it's how we implement it.
If we don't reach an agreement in time by the end of the year... we can't allow any adverse impacts on the communities in Northern Ireland.
No government, no minister, can allow any community within our country, within the UK, to be damaged."


Kind of makes sense to be fair, always hope for the best but plan for the worse.

 

[Marked Ox]

"Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi defended the legislation as necessary in case existing "ambiguities" in the Withdrawal Agreement are not settled through the formal dispute resolution process.
It's not about if we implement the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Irish protocol, it's how we implement it.
If we don't reach an agreement in time by the end of the year... we can't allow any adverse impacts on the communities in Northern Ireland.
No government, no minister, can allow any community within our country, within the UK, to be damaged."


Kind of makes sense to be fair, always hope for the best but plan for the worse.

That kind of makes sense only if they hadn't negotiated the Withdrawal Agreement in the 1st place. This is a major potential consequence of that legislation:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1303815868011380744

 

[QR]

"Business Minister Nadhim Zahawi defended the legislation as necessary in case existing "ambiguities" in the Withdrawal Agreement are not settled through the formal dispute resolution process.
It's not about if we implement the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Irish protocol, it's how we implement it.
If we don't reach an agreement in time by the end of the year... we can't allow any adverse impacts on the communities in Northern Ireland.
No government, no minister, can allow any community within our country, within the UK, to be damaged."


Kind of makes sense to be fair, always hope for the best but plan for the worse.

So blowing the GFA out of the water won't be 'adverse for the people of NI'??!

Ireland accuses Boris Johnson of trying to sabotage peace process

Dublin minister says UK plan to undo Brexit deal would have ‘unthinkable’ consequences

www.theguardian.com

 

[YellowTaxi]

Poor old @Essexyellows - he always claims he thinks both sides are as bad but he believes any old nonsense from the Tories.

if any one's got a bridge to sell (Folly Bridge would be appropriate) I recommend heading up to leicester.

 

[YellowTaxi]

it's the old deal and it's subject to contract.

Working for a Japanese company, as I do, any news of a deal with Japan will most certainly make my day, so fingers crossed it is sorted.

 

[bashamwonderland]

Tum te tum........... we can`t/won`t be able to do deals with the rest of the world as an independent nation?
Sorry to ruin your Friday...
"The UK has secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation and will increase trade with Japan by an estimated £15.2 billion. "
And.....
"The deal is also an important step towards joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). This will give UK businesses a gateway to the Asia-Pacific region and help to increase the resilience and diversity of our supply chains.
UK businesses will benefit from tariff-free trade on 99% of exports to Japan."

UK and Japan agree historic free trade agreement

The UK has today secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation.

www.gov.uk

I don't quite understand though, we didn't give Japan any of our fishing waters or free movement of people in exchange for the deal?

I thought this was a prerequisite of trade deals now?

 

[stokeu]

Tum te tum........... we can`t/won`t be able to do deals with the rest of the world as an independent nation?
Sorry to ruin your Friday...
"The UK has secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation and will increase trade with Japan by an estimated £15.2 billion. "
And.....
"The deal is also an important step towards joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). This will give UK businesses a gateway to the Asia-Pacific region and help to increase the resilience and diversity of our supply chains.
UK businesses will benefit from tariff-free trade on 99% of exports to Japan."

UK and Japan agree historic free trade agreement

The UK has today secured a free trade agreement with Japan, which is the UK’s first major trade deal as an independent trading nation.

www.gov.uk

Japan is the destination for 2% of our exports, the deal is exactly the same as the EU one and is more beneficial to Japan than the UK

 

[QR]

The government leading by example again.


BBC News - Leeds DWP office failed to enforce social distancing

Leeds DWP office failed to enforce social distancing

A Health and Safety Executive inspection found staff congregating around a desk at the Leeds office.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Essexyellows]

So blowing the GFA out of the water won't be 'adverse for the people of NI'??!

Ireland accuses Boris Johnson of trying to sabotage peace process

Dublin minister says UK plan to undo Brexit deal would have ‘unthinkable’ consequences

www.theguardian.com

The idea is they don`t want to do it so tighten the screw a bit, Nancy Pelosi isn`t going to be bothered which way it goes.

 

[Essexyellows]

Poor old @Essexyellows - he always claims he thinks both sides are as bad but he believes any old nonsense from the Tories.

if any one's got a bridge to sell (Folly Bridge would be appropriate) I recommend heading up to leicester.

Welcome back. Does it remain dark where your head is stuck?
Nobody is perfect, you deal with what is best for the majority.
Just remember that word majority whilst you and your ilk remain a minority.

 

[Marked Ox]

The idea is they don`t want to do it so tighten the screw a bit, Nancy Pelosi isn`t going to be bothered which way it goes.

I think you may be surprised then when Nancy Pelosi and the other lawmakers are bothered.

 

[YellowTaxi]

Johnson runs a minority government elected on a falsehood.- that a deal was easy. (

The First Past The Post Electoral system means that a party that polls above 40 percent can have an apparent majorit)

he did the deal, and is now trying to renege after signing and turning the country into a laughing stock around the world

You must be so proud,

on that Japan thing
"officials confirmed that the deal with Japan was expected to add a mere 0.07 per cent to UK gross domestic product. By contrast, government economists have forecast a 5 per cent loss of GDP from leaving the EU customs union and single market."

 

[bashamwonderland]

"on that Japan thing"

I can almost taste the tears.