Away Match Day Thread 05/04/22 L1: Morecambe v OUFC

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We’ve been extremely unlucky with injuries to key players this season, that’s for sure. However, the whole point of having a squad is to ensure that you have adequate cover where it’s likely to be needed. Not getting cover for Gorrin was foolish. Similarly, not getting sufficient cover for the back four and for the duo up front was foolish. What we are seeing now is the revenge of reality.

Although something tells me that our owners might just be breathing a short term sigh of relief. We might still get into the playoffs I guess and we might still get promoted, although I wouldn’t put any money on it. I’m starting to think that would present a dilemma for Bakrie et al as things stand. They’d be compelled I reckon to invest a substantial amount into the first team if that happened this year. It seems clear to me that the overt ownership issue will only be resolved when/if they get the go ahead for Stratford Brake. I wonder if they’d be happier for us to remain in league one until that’s resolved one way or another.
I would counter that Kane was supposed to fill that role...and hence why we paid a six figure sum to keep him here beyond January....

That said, whilst both are deep sitting central midfielders, they are very different beasts with Kane much more of a quarterback, while Gorrin was more a defence protector/mopper-upperor (officially recognised FIFA position) type role...BUT the Kane role (as I will keep on saying) works so much better with Brannagan in there as he does some of what Gorrin did defnsively, plus providing an outlet AND adding goals (which is why he is so sought after!!)
 
We’ve been extremely unlucky with injuries to key players this season, that’s for sure. However, the whole point of having a squad is to ensure that you have adequate cover where it’s likely to be needed. Not getting cover for Gorrin was foolish. Similarly, not getting sufficient cover for the back four and for the duo up front was foolish. What we are seeing now is the revenge of reality.

Although something tells me that our owners might just be breathing a short term sigh of relief. We might still get into the playoffs I guess and we might still get promoted, although I wouldn’t put any money on it. I’m starting to think that would present a dilemma for Bakrie et al as things stand. They’d be compelled I reckon to invest a substantial amount into the first team if that happened this year. It seems clear to me that the overt ownership issue will only be resolved when/if they get the go ahead for Stratford Brake. I wonder if they’d be happier for us to remain in league one until that’s resolved one way or another.
Do you mean ignore potential promotion opportunities that present themselves?

it's hard enough as it is and that we're knocking on the door 3 seasons running is rare.

Football does not come with a Guarantee, You can have a new stadium in place but promotion does not just fall your way because of it, you cannot just flick a switch and hey presto we're going for it this year.

Shrewd Businessmen do not take risks
 
Armchair experts wow!! Defence , strikers, injuries, loans, covid, midfield, manager, the board, stadium, budget, wingers, more wingers, defence again & again blah blah blah. It is what it is. Keep the faith our day wíll come . Maybe next year, maybe five years, maybe never. At the end of the day we are Oxford🤘
 
Only eight clean sheets in 41 games this season. That’s the same number as Doncaster and three less than Gillingham, both of whom are in the relegation zone. Also 12th in the goals against rankings overall. It’s a problem.

Have a sneaky feeling that Saturday will see a victory over Sunderland, though, so wouldn’t write the season off just yet.
 
Do you mean ignore potential promotion opportunities that present themselves?

it's hard enough as it is and that we're knocking on the door 3 seasons running is rare.

Football does not come with a Guarantee, You can have a new stadium in place but promotion does not just fall your way because of it, you cannot just flick a switch and hey presto we're going for it this year.

Shrewd Businessmen do not take risks
Unless they are so unfathomably rich that the risks really don;t matter to them.

Hence why the Premiership (and the rest of the football pyramid desperately trying to hang on to their coat tails) is in such a mess!
 
Armchair experts wow!! Defence , strikers, injuries, loans, covid, midfield, manager, the board, stadium, budget, wingers, more wingers, defence again & again blah blah blah. It is what it is. Keep the faith our day wíll come . Maybe next year, maybe five years, maybe never. At the end of the day we are Oxford🤘
and it was all going so well until.......
 
It's not over.

But, speaking (I hope) as a poster who is not prone to negativity, it's difficult to have faith that things would end well should we reach the pay offs.
It's not over til it's over, but let's face it, if we make it to the playoffs we'll struggle, because we can't field a settled, solid defence, and regardless of how good we might be going forwards, we're atrocious defensively, and will concede against any playoff opponents, and if we're not taking our chances, which is becoming an issue again, then we won't even make it to the final anyway.

When you consider how poor our recruitment has been, in terms of defensive reinforcements and specialist full backs, and no defensive midfield cover, and no genuine striker competition, until we finally brought in the quality, but injury prone Baldock, the fact we've even made it to this stage of the season, still in with a chance of the playoffs, show's how much we've rode our luck this season.

Many times this season, we've shown great heart and desire to grind out results, which has got us to this point, but you can't ride your luck all season, and the patched up sides, of square pegs in round holes, and losing already injury prone players to further injuries, and the lack of effective cover for vital positions, was always gonna come back and bite us on the a**e at some point.

For Robbo to stand there and say he can't field a settled back four, because he doesn't have the players for it is astounding, as it's HIS FAULT that we don't have suitable defensive cover in the squad, due to his insistence on bringing in multiple wingers, injured players and crocks, in place of adequate defensive reinforcements.

But that said, he had Mous and Forde on the bench in the last two games, and didn't use either, so quite what goes on in his head, I don't know, the guy speaks a lot of s**t, constantly contradicting himself, and then making outlandish comments to try to excuse his mistakes, instead of just having the guts and humility to own up to them.

Lessons need to be learned from the recruitment model of the last few seasons, and we need to start recruiting big solid units, accomplished in their specialised positions, with experience of what it takes to get out of this league, and make sure we have suitable cover and competition for EVERY position, and build a squad capable of steering us through the whole campaign, with no injury prone players, crocks, has beens, or flimsy little weaklings who can't tackle or take control of games.

I like Robbo, he's clearly a good bloke, who clearly cares for the club, but we need a quality manager to steer us through these exciting times ahead, and I'm starting to think he might not be capable of having the vision or humility to accept that his recruitment policies, squad building techniques, team selections and tactics are massively flawed, and he needs to accept what currently isn't working with his approach, and make the necessary adjustments, or I feel it might be time for him to be replaced.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that...
 
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Unless they are so unfathomably rich that the risks really don;t matter to them.

Hence why the Premiership (and the rest of the football pyramid desperately trying to hang on to their coat tails) is in such a mess!
That's a whole different ball game though, they are trying to reach the golden rainbow. That the owners of a 3rd tier club would risk promotion when the opportunity presents itself is something completely different, any sensible person would know that promotion opportunities rarely come your way and to even think that they would contemplate staying in the same League and then suddenly state right this is the season(insert year) we're going for it is a odd thought process.
 
Hang on the forum in general have him down as been poor, if he plays and we lost the outcome on here would still be the same and likely worse
He's had some very poor games and I've not been his biggest fan to say the least, but I'm not sure I agree with jumbling up a back four to that extent just to avoid playing him.
 
I don’t want to come across all @Scotchegg but… really?! I can’t think of one player who looked like they didn’t care, players were constantly bombing forwards and making runs etc. If anything they were rushing things at times and lost patience, calmness and accuracy, but I didn’t see any lack of effort?

Kane was poor and Taylor went missing after his goal but apart from that most players performed well, I’d say Sykes and McGuane were both excellent, full of effort and invention. Whyte you have a point with, his finishing was poor.

I’m as critical as anyone when we lose but I don’t think you can say the players didn’t care.

It's a massive bugbear of mine from fans to accuse players of not caring and it's an easy way out. I've been watching Oxford United for a good number of years and even at our lowest ebbs I'm seen plenty who did care and did try despite their own lack of ability. It's a lazy accusation to make. Ones who I would say didn't give a toss when here are few and far between - Dave Kitson, Dean Morgan, Jamie Slabber to name a handful.

We didn't get the rub of the green, a bang average 'keeper had a worldie, confidence may have dipped since Plymouth, KR got the formation and team wrong so we weren't at our strongest. There are plenty of reasons why we lost yesterday without referring to a lack of effort.
 
That's a whole different ball game though, they are trying to reach the golden rainbow. That the owners of a 3rd tier club would risk promotion when the opportunity presents itself is something completely different, any sensible person would know that promotion opportunities rarely come your way and to even think that they would contemplate staying in the same League and then suddenly state right this is the season(insert year) we're going for it is a odd thought process.
I know...different kettle of fish completely and for any unfathomably rich person to come in and simply think that turning on the money taps is going to bring immediate success....especially when building a team capable of challenging for promotion....well you have to wonder how they managed to get so rich in the first place!

3 seasons of being there or there abouts does not happen by chance and KR and the team have been building/sustaining that push over that time. The CB conveyor belt over that time for example has been nothing short of amazing....can we sustain it?? - not sure...

We've also had some stability in key Areas (Gorrin, Brannagan, Henry, Long, Stevens/Eastwood, Taylor, Sykes) as well as using the loan market pretty well on balance to augment the core. So we have had a good mix of stability and sustainability over that time. But the margins for error are so finely balanced, never more so than this season where the perceived imbalance in our squad has been accentuated by injuries. Moreover, we face the inevitability of losing a chunk of that stable core at the end of this season, and questions remain as to whether what remains can continue to perform at the same level.

Either way, whichever division we're in, some big changes are likely to be required to maintain a team capable of challenging again (or surviving if we somehow do manage the increasingly unlikely!).

And IF we do somehow manage to creep back into the playoff place by the end of the month....and IF we get Baldock, Moore and CamBran back fully fit and playing, then I fancy us against anyone!
 
It's a massive bugbear of mine from fans to accuse players of not caring and it's an easy way out. I've been watching Oxford United for a good number of years and even at our lowest ebbs I'm seen plenty who did care and did try despite their own lack of ability. It's a lazy accusation to make. Ones who I would say didn't give a toss when here are few and far between - Dave Kitson, Dean Morgan, Jamie Slabber to name a handful.

We didn't get the rub of the green, a bang average 'keeper had a worldie, confidence may have dipped since Plymouth, KR got the formation and team wrong so we weren't at our strongest. There are plenty of reasons why we lost yesterday without referring to a lack of effort.
I think there’s a difference between a player who regularly doesn’t try/put in effort/doesn’t care, which I agree are very few and far between, and a team performance where generally the players heads start dropping, they start arguing, not tracking back, giving up on lost causes, not closing down, not making runs etc. I’ve seen a few of those in my time, it happens every now and then - but last night definitely wasn’t one of them.
 
I know it is a small point but why in the last 2 games have we decided to make the teams swop ends. When that happens to us it irritates us and probably motivates the opposition. Yesterday we decided to play with the wind in first half. When Morecambe ran out of steam in the 2nd half they just hoofed it and the wind did the rest. We had to work hard to get forward. Also with the wind we didn't shoot from any distance. Seems like a strange approach.
 
I think there’s a difference between a player who regularly doesn’t try/put in effort/doesn’t care, which I agree are very few and far between, and a team performance where generally the players heads start dropping, they start arguing, not tracking back, giving up on lost causes, not closing down, not making runs etc. I’ve seen a few of those in my time, it happens every now and then - but last night definitely wasn’t one of them.
But that is as much about leadership and organisation as anything else.

Take Moore and Brannagan out of the equation ad you are left with Matt Taylor as third choice captain. I've never been a massive fan of forwards being captains (unless you have a team of captains behind them) and I am not sure Matty would immediately put himself forward as 1st team captain in other circumstances. But he is a senior player, commands respect and plays with passion/dedication to the cause. All great qualities, but don;t necessarily make him a natural leader. And I just don't see the leadership across the pitch and this I think is a big part of the problem we're seeing in the last 3 or so games especially.
 
But that is as much about leadership and organisation as anything else.

Take Moore and Brannagan out of the equation ad you are left with Matt Taylor as third choice captain. I've never been a massive fan of forwards being captains (unless you have a team of captains behind them) and I am not sure Matty would immediately put himself forward as 1st team captain in other circumstances. But he is a senior player, commands respect and plays with passion/dedication to the cause. All great qualities, but don;t necessarily make him a natural leader. And I just don't see the leadership across the pitch and this I think is a big part of the problem we're seeing in the last 3 or so games especially.
Longy as captain perhaps?
 
What s**t pair of goals to concede.
Jeebus. Both due to deficiencies in the CDM role.
a**e.
You are right - massive gaping hole between 6 and 18 yard line for the first Morecambe goal. Kane tries in vain and too late to block the shot, which then balloons up horribly off McNally's thigh and Stevens can't get near it. Should've been closed down much quicker to prevent the shot in the first place, but nonetheless unlucky the way it went in.

For the second, Brown is squarely to blame for an awful pass to Kane which made it easy for the onrushing Morecambe player to rob him (it wasn't a foul). Kane was even pointing for Brown to play to ball in front of him to wrong foot the onrushing Morecambe player, but instead he plays it behind, Kane making it much easier to pick him off.

There was another occasion late in the second half where CDM was again exposed leaving a massive hole, and only a great save from Stevens prevent a 3rd Morecambe goal.
 
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