What are peoples expectations for this season?

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What is your expectations?

  • Champions

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Runners up

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Third

    Votes: 5 6.4%

  • Play off winners

    Votes: 8 10.3%

  • Play off losers

    Votes: 18 23.1%

  • Just outside play offs

    Votes: 24 30.8%

  • Mid table

    Votes: 16 20.5%

  • Relegation battle

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Relegated

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Total voters
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beyondthefourth said:
I don't mind people jumping on overly negative/miserable posts for a laugh (kip has quite a few of those, that's fair game). But sometimes those posters make reasonable remarks, and their reputation still causes people to go crazy at them.

Kip and Hawk have made some headway with posts to make me feel they are true fans that just tend to skew miserable. Mellowyellow and malcolmsmustache though still just seem like they're doing it for a reaction.
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No, I am not doing it for reaction. I am genuinely concerned about where Tiger’s ownership will take us. I thought his statements in the first few weeks were ridiculous, and they reminded me (in a very bad way) of early Kassam and his ‘journey’. Quite a lot of people seem to be confusing housekeeping with investment. Renting a training ground, getting a shirt sponsor, changing kit suppliers- this is not investment, this is basic bau (‘business as usual’). And as for the new u23 team, I am baffled. It doesn’t play in a league , and it doesn’t seem to be any different from the team that played friendlies last season with a mixture of academy and pros not in the first team. Tiger made a lot of very odd statements in his first few weeks- from ‘wow’ to (I paraphrase here) ‘my ambitions exceed yours’. Both statements implied that he was going to invest very heavily. But if you look at transfer fees in and out since he officially took over, he has banked just over £1m and has spent (maybe) £100k. And btw, I still haven’t seen any evidence that he ‘bankrolled’ player purchases before he took over. So, I am perfectly entitled to hold these views and also point out that our star signings appear to be loanees. I thought Eales sold very carelessly, and it was a great shame after the way he had managed the club in his tenure. But whatever your views of Eales, you cannot deny that he spent money proper money on players, and brought in a calibration of permanent player we hadn’t seen for years. So that’s my view- more than happy to have a proper debate about it, but there is little point if all I, or others who post similar views, just receive a torrent of abuse......not from this poster btw, but plenty of others including the chap with a limited vocabulary who posted a couple of hours ago
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
No, I am not doing it for reaction. I am genuinely concerned about where Tiger’s ownership will take us. I thought his statements in the first few weeks were ridiculous, and they reminded me (in a very bad way) of early Kassam and his ‘journey’. Quite a lot of people seem to be confusing housekeeping with investment. Renting a training ground, getting a shirt sponsor, changing kit suppliers- this is not investment, this is basic bau (‘business as usual’). And as for the new u23 team, I am baffled. It doesn’t play in a league , and it doesn’t seem to be any different from the team that played friendlies last season with a mixture of academy and pros not in the first team. Tiger made a lot of very odd statements in his first few weeks- from ‘wow’ to (I paraphrase here) ‘my ambitions exceed yours’. Both statements implied that he was going to invest very heavily. But if you look at transfer fees in and out since he officially took over, he has banked just over £1m and has spent (maybe) £100k. And btw, I still haven’t seen any evidence that he ‘bankrolled’ player purchases before he took over. So, I am perfectly entitled to hold these views and also point out that our star signings appear to be loanees. I thought Eales sold very carelessly, and it was a great shame after the way he had managed the club in his tenure. But whatever your views of Eales, you cannot deny that he spent money proper money on players, and brought in a calibration of permanent player we hadn’t seen for years. So that’s my view- more than happy to have a proper debate about it, but there is little point if all I, or others who post similar views, just receive a torrent of abuse......not from this poster btw, but plenty of others including the chap with a limited vocabulary who posted a couple of hours ago
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Spot on. Lots expected significant investment following Tiger and Robbos statements. It hasnt happened.

Its not neccessarily a bad approach but definitely need to get better at expectation setting.
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
No, I am not doing it for reaction. I am genuinely concerned about where Tiger’s ownership will take us. I thought his statements in the first few weeks were ridiculous, and they reminded me (in a very bad way) of early Kassam and his ‘journey’. Quite a lot of people seem to be confusing housekeeping with investment. Renting a training ground, getting a shirt sponsor, changing kit suppliers- this is not investment, this is basic bau (‘business as usual’). And as for the new u23 team, I am baffled. It doesn’t play in a league , and it doesn’t seem to be any different from the team that played friendlies last season with a mixture of academy and pros not in the first team. Tiger made a lot of very odd statements in his first few weeks- from ‘wow’ to (I paraphrase here) ‘my ambitions exceed yours’. Both statements implied that he was going to invest very heavily. But if you look at transfer fees in and out since he officially took over, he has banked just over £1m and has spent (maybe) £100k. And btw, I still haven’t seen any evidence that he ‘bankrolled’ player purchases before he took over. So, I am perfectly entitled to hold these views and also point out that our star signings appear to be loanees. I thought Eales sold very carelessly, and it was a great shame after the way he had managed the club in his tenure. But whatever your views of Eales, you cannot deny that he spent money proper money on players, and brought in a calibration of permanent player we hadn’t seen for years. So that’s my view- more than happy to have a proper debate about it, but there is little point if all I, or others who post similar views, just receive a torrent of abuse......not from this poster btw, but plenty of others including the chap with a limited vocabulary who posted a couple of hours ago
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What evidence do you need? Genuinely curious. If both men stated they were funded by Tiger, what more do you want? And if they weren't funded by Tiger, don't you think that Darryl would have required a higher purchase price for the club, to factor in these new players he just bought? Or were they just a £250k freebie? Again, genuinely curious.
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
No, I am not doing it for reaction. I am genuinely concerned about where Tiger’s ownership will take us. I thought his statements in the first few weeks were ridiculous, and they reminded me (in a very bad way) of early Kassam and his ‘journey’. Quite a lot of people seem to be confusing housekeeping with investment. Renting a training ground, getting a shirt sponsor, changing kit suppliers- this is not investment, this is basic bau (‘business as usual’). And as for the new u23 team, I am baffled. It doesn’t play in a league , and it doesn’t seem to be any different from the team that played friendlies last season with a mixture of academy and pros not in the first team. Tiger made a lot of very odd statements in his first few weeks- from ‘wow’ to (I paraphrase here) ‘my ambitions exceed yours’. Both statements implied that he was going to invest very heavily. But if you look at transfer fees in and out since he officially took over, he has banked just over £1m and has spent (maybe) £100k. And btw, I still haven’t seen any evidence that he ‘bankrolled’ player purchases before he took over. So, I am perfectly entitled to hold these views and also point out that our star signings appear to be loanees. I thought Eales sold very carelessly, and it was a great shame after the way he had managed the club in his tenure. But whatever your views of Eales, you cannot deny that he spent money proper money on players, and brought in a calibration of permanent player we hadn’t seen for years. So that’s my view- more than happy to have a proper debate about it, but there is little point if all I, or others who post similar views, just receive a torrent of abuse......not from this poster btw, but plenty of others including the chap with a limited vocabulary who posted a couple of hours ago
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Well, I can understand where you're coming from. But do you not feel this squad is stronger than last year's? And the 'retooled' Dev squad into this year's 23s contains many more players, some of whom are really good prospects.

You seem more apprehensive for what Tiger might be, than negative over what has occured so far. You haven't seen quantifiable spending, and so are still unsure what mess Tiger could leave us in if we don't make any progress?

In terms of permanent star signings, Brannagan and Dickie (even if you class him as an Eales buy) are almost guaranteed to net us a huge profit, while Whyte was being looked at by Championship sides and is on the fringes of the NI squad.
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
No, I am not doing it for reaction. I am genuinely concerned about where Tiger’s ownership will take us. I thought his statements in the first few weeks were ridiculous, and they reminded me (in a very bad way) of early Kassam and his ‘journey’. Quite a lot of people seem to be confusing housekeeping with investment. Renting a training ground, getting a shirt sponsor, changing kit suppliers- this is not investment, this is basic bau (‘business as usual’). And as for the new u23 team, I am baffled. It doesn’t play in a league , and it doesn’t seem to be any different from the team that played friendlies last season with a mixture of academy and pros not in the first team. Tiger made a lot of very odd statements in his first few weeks- from ‘wow’ to (I paraphrase here) ‘my ambitions exceed yours’. Both statements implied that he was going to invest very heavily. But if you look at transfer fees in and out since he officially took over, he has banked just over £1m and has spent (maybe) £100k. And btw, I still haven’t seen any evidence that he ‘bankrolled’ player purchases before he took over. So, I am perfectly entitled to hold these views and also point out that our star signings appear to be loanees. I thought Eales sold very carelessly, and it was a great shame after the way he had managed the club in his tenure. But whatever your views of Eales, you cannot deny that he spent money proper money on players, and brought in a calibration of permanent player we hadn’t seen for years. So that’s my view- more than happy to have a proper debate about it, but there is little point if all I, or others who post similar views, just receive a torrent of abuse......not from this poster btw, but plenty of others including the chap with a limited vocabulary who posted a couple of hours ago
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I think that there a couple of big errors in your assumptions. And you don't seem to listen to KR.
The permanent training base is not BAU. It sounds like we will have one of The best set ups in the league. A shame you didn't go to the Oxvox meeting with the Head of the Academy explaining the huge benefits to the club in having a quality permanent training ground, something we have never had before... and
 
Craig said:
What evidence do you need? Genuinely curious. If both men stated they were funded by Tiger, what more do you want? And if they weren't funded by Tiger, don't you think that Darryl would have required a higher purchase price for the club, to factor in these new players he just bought? Or were they just a £250k freebie? Again, genuinely curious.
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Maybe I am just a cynic, but given Tiger’s apparent reluctance (thus far) to make significant investments in players, I find it literally unbelievable that he would spend £400k on two players before he bought the club. And don’t forget it would be in Eales interests to ‘big up’ his prospective purchaser. I will admit that I have been very suspicious of Tiger from day one. In fact from before that- I don’t want to open up the possibly libellous pre appointment thread, but if even 10% of the stuff on there is correct, there is legitimate cause for concern. I honestly think we have seen loads of spin and very little actual delivery. Ultimately it’s all about the players we are bringing in. And we are bringing in a mixture of loanees, old pros and a couple of semi pro punts. That’s all well and good, but it’s a very very long way from what we were promised......
 
The second error I think you have made is the U23s. KR did suggest the reasons why he didn't want them in the league. I think it was due to being able to choose when we play to help players coming back from.injury etc.
It is nothing like what we did last season. We have brought in a number of players to play in the U23s. Norman is one of those.
So it is a genuine step from the Youth Team to the first Team and there will be far more players in this category (see other thread showing the players in each category)
So by all means be sceptical but don't totally ignore things that are clearly positives and people in the club are quick to acknowledge that.
 
Foley said:
I think that there a couple of big errors in your assumptions. And you don't seem to listen to KR.
The permanent training base is not BAU. It sounds like we will have one of The best set ups in the league. A shame you didn't go to the Oxvox meeting with the Head of the Academy explaining the huge benefits to the club in having a quality permanent training ground, something we have never had before... and
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Great. But it’s a facility rented from the council. It is nothing to do with Tiger and his investment.....
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
And we are bringing in a mixture of loanees, old pros and a couple of semi pro punts. That’s all well and good, but it’s a very very long way from what we were promised......
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Really?

Dickie, Brannagan, Norman, Whyte are all excellent signings likely to make big returns.

Carrathurs and Garbutt are excellent loan signings who are a class above at our level.

Mackie and McMahon both offer much needed experience and bite.

In addition we have Eastwood tied to a longer contract, Henry and Hall continuing where they left last season, Obika looking sharper than ever, Nelson back to full fitness, Lopez, Napa and Baptists pushing for contention.

PLUS, we still have a 16 days before the transfer window closes and the very likelihood of more coming in before the weekend.

I literally have no idea what there is to moan about?
 
I just don’t get why fans can’t grasp that just because a fee isn’t always announced as undisclosed or what ever means the owner hasn’t spent money. We would of had to pay loan fees and a % of the players wages for our loans. A player like Mackie won’t be on a bag of Haribo and a can of Coke a week as payment either!
Right now everything feels a lot like when Eales too over and that went quite well if I remember.
I get that fans don’t like change but I honestly don’t get any alarm bells from tiger yet.
 
Investment takes many forms, not just that involved in player recruitment. The one thing that has changed in the short time since Tiger took over is the prices being quoted. No evidence just a feeling that we would have been after Matt Godden, however Peterborough paid anywhere between 450 and 700,000 for him. Eisa went for over a million. Not just this league either, Watford must be pissing themselves. We are not going to pay that sort of money. I know DE paid a lot out but he is working overtime on getting back his investment. Clubs should at least try and cut their cloth according to their means and if that means renting a first class trainmg facility rather than buying a third class one than so be it.
I listened with interest to Tiger and his opening statements but have come to hate the word Wow in the same way I hate Brexit. People moan about this and that player not having the Wow factor. Name one that does, I would only go wow if an international came our way. So I am of an age where I listen and say believe it when I see it, I certainly do not hold people to what they say, when maybe caution should have been applied in the statement.
That said I am hopeful of a play off place at least, given the style and calibre of player we are signing up, a manager who knows what is required, the best goalkeeper in the league and some of the best fans to support them through good and bad.
 
To pretend that their are no questions over Tigers ability to fund the club now and to meet future expectations, and just what his long term plans are (including the stadium) is naive. There are questions so far that have not been asked or not fully answered. Until they are I remain a little concerned about Tiger.

So far we have seen some some good organisational changes within the club that have improved us as a professional club, and the appointment of a good manager. So its a case of so far so good. But the question of finance is still the elephant in the room.

What we have also seen is Tiger's and KR's inability to fully control what they say. Both are prone to hyperbole and over enhusiastic statements that generally build the fans expectations beyond reality. As long as we understand this and mange our exceptions we can remain objective and don't feel let down when the latest "wow" signing turns out to be a solid if unexciting player that will add a lot to the squad.
 
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Fans forum early in the season (non matchday !) would give the opportunity to ask the person/people all those questions answers or clarifications are wanted for..... it was said there would be a fans forum early this season at the pre match/ limited time/ take over by Tiger fans forum.... yet so far no date time or venue has been announced:rolleyes:
 
As the squad stands, lower table. With the final 4/5 players, a squad that gels into a playoff push.
 
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