National News Boris Johnson - Ousted Former PM

[DevilsAvocado]

Got his head burid in the sand, strits around like Compo from Last Summer Wine

Can see where you are going with that, i had him down as Hyacinth Bouquet on acid.

 

[bazzer9461]

Not aimed at you personally Baz, I just wanted to refute the numerous claims that the Tories would be turfed out at the next election unless Boris is ditched or they change their ways.

The whole cabinet could be caught taking a dump in the fountains in Trafalgar Square after going out on the razz with money stolen from charity collection tins but there are people who will continue to vote for them purely because "we might get [someone like] Corbyn"....

Totally agree he has to go and as long as JRM isn’t installed as PM or most of the cabinet I would be fairly happy although Michael Gove could be quite good.

 

[bazzer9461]

That has to be one of the most remarkably ill considered comments ever posted on this forum. Are you seriously suggesting that notwithstanding the failings of any Conservative government and specifically, at the moment, the current PM, you will not consider exercising your vote elsewhere? Have you ever bothered to read any other party's manifesto? Have you dismissed them so conclusively that whatever the failings of the Conservative party, they can rely on your vote? Why so utterly inflexible, or do you rely on the Sun and the Mail to justify your view? I say all the above as a genuine floating voter.

No I won’t vote elsewhere that’s how voting works, it’s your choice I grew up voting for the conservatives, do i agree with every policy they’ve come out since i was able to vote? Hell no. But if I choose not to vote for one of the other parties then that is my choice and unless Boris jogs on they won’t be getting my vote at the next GE.

 

[Marked Ox]

Totally agree he has to go and as long as JRM isn’t installed as PM or most of the cabinet I would be fairly happy although Michael Gove could be quite good.

You'd be happy with any of Suella Braverman, Mad Nad, Dominic Raab, Liz Truss, Priti Awful, Kwasi Kwarteng, Therese Coffey, Nadim Zahawi, George Useless or Grant Shapps/Michael Green?

 

[tim lane]

No I won’t vote elsewhere that’s how voting works, it’s your choice I grew up voting for the conservatives, do i agree with every policy they’ve come out since i was able to vote? Hell no. But if I choose not to vote for one of the other parties then that is my choice and unless Boris jogs on they won’t be getting my vote at the next GE.

Of course it's your choice and I sincerely respect that. What I simply don't understand is your unwillingness to even consider looking elsewhere. What is it about the Tory mantra that is so irrevocably appealing that you will simply not consider voting elsewhere? Supporting OUFC is for life, but for the Conservatives, or any other political party for that matter, I just don't get it. For me, thinking about where to place that 'x' is a stimulating, responsible and valuable process, not something to be done on automatic pilot.

 

[bazzer9461]

You'd be happy with any of Suella Braverman, Mad Nad, Dominic Raab, Liz Truss, Priti Awful, Kwasi Kwarteng, Therese Coffey, Nadim Zahawi, George Useless or Grant Shapps/Michael Green?

No as I said Michael Gove

 

[Sheik djibouti]

No as I said Michael Gove

What has happened to old Govey?

Has he gone in a bit hard on the old Mexican marching powder of late?

Either that or he's just biding his time for the opportune moment to stab Boris in the back...... again.

 

[Essexyellows]

Of course it's your choice and I sincerely respect that. What I simply don't understand is your unwillingness to even consider looking elsewhere. What is it about the Tory mantra that is so irrevocably appealing that you will simply not consider voting elsewhere? Supporting OUFC is for life, but for the Conservatives, or any other political party for that matter, I just don't get it. For me, thinking about where to place that 'x' is a stimulating, responsible and valuable process, not something to be done on automatic pilot.

You find the party that most matches your beliefs/life and situation on the big stuff.
Broadly speaking your life & events within it is more likely to shift those beliefs than a change in party policy.

 

[bazzer9461]

Of course it's your choice and I sincerely respect that. What I simply don't understand is your unwillingness to even consider looking elsewhere. What is it about the Tory mantra that is so irrevocably appealing that you will simply not consider voting elsewhere? Supporting OUFC is for life, but for the Conservatives, or any other political party for that matter, I just don't get it. For me, thinking about where to place that 'x' is a stimulating, responsible and valuable process, not something to be done on automatic pilot.

I was born in the early 60’s and was a teenager in n the 70’s and saw the devastation of the strikes seeing my parents row continuously because my father had to strike even though he and his colleagues didn’t want to but the communist shoo steward took his department which meant my father and his colleagues couldn’t work for almost 3 months. He had to go the the TWGU. Along with his colleagues and beg for a hand out whilst all the time the communist and his department were getting strike pay. The fact that employees were getting threats to vote the correct way but listening to my law abiding father saying to my mother that there some including my father who wanted to seriously hurt the shop steward was quite frightening for a youngish teenager.

I know things have changed to a point but I can’t forget plus Maggie looked after the military when I was in.

No political party are good they will always say things and do the opposite, if as expected SKS gets in everything will be rosey and any issues will be blamed on the Tories, but then things will happen that people won’t be happy with and again the blame game starts.

I do try to keep out of the political threads apart from reading them as sometime certain individuals can get rude. I did yesterday in reply to someone which was silly of me. But I just had to reply, but would rather leave all political stuff to those who enjoy talking about.

 

[Essexyellows]

What has happened to old Govey?

Has he gone in a bit hard on the old Mexican marching powder of late?

Either that or he's just biding his time for the opportune moment to stab Boris in the back...... again.

He`s going after second homeowners who rent them out on AirBnB - ergo urinating into the wind.

 

[bazzer9461]

What has happened to old Govey?

Has he gone in a bit hard on the old Mexican marching powder of late?

Either that or he's just biding his time for the opportune moment to stab Boris in the back...... again.

Hope he does.

 

[Marked Ox]

No as I said Michael Gove

So you wouldn't be fairly happy with most of the Cabinet as you said in the same post?

 

[bazzer9461]

So you wouldn't be fairly happy with most of the Cabinet as you said in the same post?

Nope

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

I would have absolutely no issue if Labour, the Lib Dems and the Green Party agreed before the next GE that they would only stand one candidate in each constituency and would then govern with a coalition. I don’t think it would be undemocratic either.

We already vote for the party/leader anyway - look at the likes of Bazzer saying he has always and will always vote Conservative - not that he chooses based on who’s running in his local area. And people all over the country are talking about whether they will ‘vote for Boris’ or not.

So if you’re a Labour or Green voter in a constituency who are only running a Lib Dem candidate as they’re the closest ones to unseating the Tories there, then you’re actually voting for the coalition government which will include your own party. Nothing wrong with that, and people like Essexyellows are only against it as it would massively increase the chances of the Tories being ousted.

If they won’t give us PR then let’s force them to stop having the massive, massive advantage of the results of a seat being ‘20,000 Conservative votes, 18,000 Labour, 15,000 Lib Dems, 10,000 Green Party… yep, this seat goes to the Tories and shows that they deserve an overwhelming parliamentary majority, the people have spoken and they are blue!!!’ Rubbish.

 

[bazzer9461]

I would have absolutely no issue if Labour, the Lib Dems and the Green Party agreed before the next GE that they would only stand one candidate in each constituency and would then govern with a coalition. I don’t think it would be undemocratic either.

We already vote for the party/leader anyway - look at the likes of Bazzer saying he has always and will always vote Conservative - not that he chooses based on who’s running in his local area. And people all over the country are talking about whether they will ‘vote for Boris’ or not.

So if you’re a Labour or Green voter in a constituency who are only running a Lib Dem candidate as they’re the closest ones to unseating the Tories there, then you’re actually voting for the coalition government which will include your own party. Nothing wrong with that, and people like Essexyellows are only against it as it would massively increase the chances of the Tories being ousted.

If they won’t give us PR then let’s force them to stop having the massive, massive advantage of the results of a seat being ‘20,000 Conservative votes, 18,000 Labour, 15,000 Lib Dems, 10,000 Green Party… yep, this seat goes to the Tories and shows that they deserve an overwhelming parliamentary majority, the people have spoken and they are blue!!!’ Rubbish.

Imagine a 3 party coalition……it wouldn’t last long and another GE would be held not so long after.
Even if was only to oust the Tories they wouldn’t last a term in office or even half a term.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

Imagine a 3 party coalition……it wouldn’t last long and another GE would be held not so long after.
Even if was only to oust the Tories they wouldn’t last a term in office or even half a term.

How do you know? What are you basing that on? Plenty of PR democracies have three or more party coalitions.

 

[bazzer9461]

How do you know? What are you basing that on? Plenty of PR democracies have three or more party coalitions.

They’ve never worked in this country libdems have their agenda and Labour will have theirs and the green yes the singular Green will have hers m, similar to the Tory/Libdem coalition the Lib Dems didn’t want tuition fees to rise and the Tories increased them.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

They’ve never worked in this country libdems have their agenda and Labour will have theirs and the green yes the singular Green will have hers m, similar to the Tory/Libdem coalition the Lib Dems didn’t want tuition fees to rise and the Tories increased them.

Of course a coalition of two diametrically opposed parties like the Conservatives and the Lib Dems didn’t work, you’ve got a right wing and a left wing party trying to work together, it’s like if someone suggested UKIP go in with the Greens, it simply wouldn’t work. But a progressive alliance of left leaning parties would be totally different. In other countries they form coalitions of parties with similar views. I believe it would work but there’s no way of knowing for sure unless it was tried.

 

[bazzer9461]

Of course a coalition of two diametrically opposed parties like the Conservatives and the Lib Dems didn’t work, you’ve got a right wing and a left wing party trying to work together, it’s like if someone suggested UKIP go in with the Greens, it simply wouldn’t work. But a progressive alliance of left leaning parties would be totally different. In other countries they form coalitions of parties with similar views. I believe it would work but there’s no way of knowing for sure unless it was tried.

Of course there isn’t, but you also to wonder if the few seats the Lib Dems have I believe is 13 ( I maybe wrong on that figure ) if that small number is the number Labour would have to rely on to form a government than maybe not all of the U.K. voter are persuaded by Labour.
The frightening thing would be the SNP forming a coalition on the mandate that they get their independence.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

Of course there isn’t, but you also to wonder if the few seats the Lib Dems have I believe is 13 ( I maybe wrong on that figure ) if that small number is the number Labour would have to rely on to form a government than maybe not all of the U.K. voter are persuaded by Labour.

The amount of seats the Lib Dems currently have is irrelevant to this discussion though, I’m not talking about them forming a coalition with Labour under the current FPPT system, I’m talking about them agreeing not to run candidates against eachother.

The Lib Dems got 11.5% of the vote last time around and so they should have 74-75 seats. Together, Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens got 46.3% of the vote - the Tories only got 43.6%.