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We didn't lose the game. We lost the penalty shoot out that happened after the game had ended. I'm holding onto that.Ah yes, like in the pizza cup. Basically we drew, go us!!
We didn't lose the game. We lost the penalty shoot out that happened after the game had ended. I'm holding onto that.Ah yes, like in the pizza cup. Basically we drew, go us!!
As I posted earlier there was a time you weren’t allowed to do that it was a straight run and belt itI just hate those soft stuttering penalties!! Put your foot through it! You could tell those penalties would be missed from the run ups, never mind Saka's stricken face as he realised it was his turn.
what @Malc said ^^Having slept on it I have a couple of thoughts.
The team did bloody great to get to the final.
Grelish should have come on at half time for Stirling
Pickford did great as keeper throughout the tournement
Maguire showed the whole world how to take a penalty
Disappointed? Yes a bit. But still proud that we got to the final and only lost it on pens.
As I posted earlier there was a time you weren’t allowed to do that it was a straight run and belt it
Straws ( clutching at ).. Just my sentiments.!We didn't lose the game. We lost the penalty shoot out that happened after the game had ended. I'm holding onto that.
I bet a dozen of those games were against San Marino.Very proud of what Gareth and the team have achieved. A World Cup semi final and a Euro Final isn’t too shabby. We played a team who hasn’t lost in 33 games and they didn’t beat us over 120 minutes. Penalties are a lottery that can go either way.
As for the idiots who abuse on social media they should be ashamed of themselves!!!
Well done Italy and well done England for putting pride back into English Football.
Someone took a screenshot of a racist post on Twitter before the poster deleted it. It was traced back to estate agents Savills. Savills said they would investigate when their offices open. So on the heels of an estate agent prosecuted and sacked for abusing Chris Whitty we have another moron from the same profession about to be sacked and, hopefully, prosecuted.
Yes he did but it was around that time that these sort of penalties were being takenAlways remember John Aldridge doing the dummy step to send the keeper.
And David Fogg - his penalties stayed hit.And Andy Crosby.
May I thank you and sarge for two posts that put into perspective my crushing disappointment at last nights result and for making me realise just how much work there still is to do to eradicate the vile racism that exists within the game I loveThe football side of last night was obviously cripplingly disappointing. We ceded the ball for 80 minutes to disastrous effect, made the wrong substitutions and had the wrong penalty takers. A grim watch and a missed opportunity.
But the overwhelming bitterness for me today is the shame that the off-field antics have brought on the country this tournament. I'm sure it's been mentioned up the thread somewhere, but seeing the videos yesterday and this morning of what was going on in London and in Wembley, and the horrific racist abuse that was predictably levelled at the penalty takers as soon as that last penalty was saved, has been mortifying. They would be bad enough in themselves - but for me they colour all the other reports of England fans' at-best questionable behaviour this tournament.
In isolation they can be explained away as being the actions of a small minority, not representative of the entire fan base. Booing the knee? It's only a vocal minority, whose boos were drowned out by the majority. Booing the opponent's national anthem? Just a bit of footballing pantomime (even though this is obviously coloured by the xenophobic atmosphere gripping the country at the moment). Laser in the eyes, a Danish family attacked on their way home? Just a couple of individual idiots, they don't represent the fanbase as a whole.
But the scenes yesterday, the carnage in central London, the hordes of people storming into Wembley, the violence everywhere on a day that was supposed to be a celebration of English football's greatest achievement in 55 years means that, for me, it can't be brushed under the carpet as some extreme minority. For all the talk of how this wonderful team has 'brought the country together' over the past month and 'given us all something to cheer about', it's clear that a massive proportion of the country are simply complete C***s. The tournament, and the success that it has brought, hasn't 'brought out the best' in the country - it's brought out the obnoxious, violent, racist worst.
I'm not sure whether this is just me still feeling gutted the morning after. But it really feels like my overriding memory of this tournament will be, not pride and excitement in an England team reaching a major final, and memories of the wonderful moments, shared with some of my favourite people in the world, that brought us there, but shame that this is the country that represents me. And it is very difficult this morning to reconcile my enthusiasm for English football with what it obviously represents.
Ridiculous comment. Rashford took the best penalty of the three missed ones.
It’s time to bring football home from the racism, violence, arrogance and ignorance. From every country, but exemplified by England.The football side of last night was obviously cripplingly disappointing. We ceded the ball for 80 minutes to disastrous effect, made the wrong substitutions and had the wrong penalty takers. A grim watch and a missed opportunity.
But the overwhelming bitterness for me today is the shame that the off-field antics have brought on the country this tournament. I'm sure it's been mentioned up the thread somewhere, but seeing the videos yesterday and this morning of what was going on in London and in Wembley, and the horrific racist abuse that was predictably levelled at the penalty takers as soon as that last penalty was saved, has been mortifying. They would be bad enough in themselves - but for me they colour all the other reports of England fans' at-best questionable behaviour this tournament.
In isolation they can be explained away as being the actions of a small minority, not representative of the entire fan base. Booing the knee? It's only a vocal minority, whose boos were drowned out by the majority. Booing the opponent's national anthem? Just a bit of footballing pantomime (even though this is obviously coloured by the xenophobic atmosphere gripping the country at the moment). Laser in the eyes, a Danish family attacked on their way home? Just a couple of individual idiots, they don't represent the fanbase as a whole.
But the scenes yesterday, the carnage in central London, the hordes of people storming into Wembley, the violence everywhere on a day that was supposed to be a celebration of English football's greatest achievement in 55 years means that, for me, it can't be brushed under the carpet as some extreme minority. For all the talk of how this wonderful team has 'brought the country together' over the past month and 'given us all something to cheer about', it's clear that a massive proportion of the country are simply complete C***s. The tournament, and the success that it has brought, hasn't 'brought out the best' in the country - it's brought out the obnoxious, violent, racist worst.
I'm not sure whether this is just me still feeling gutted the morning after. But it really feels like my overriding memory of this tournament will be, not pride and excitement in an England team reaching a major final, and memories of the wonderful moments, shared with some of my favourite people in the world, that brought us there, but shame that this is the country that represents me. And it is very difficult this morning to reconcile my enthusiasm for English football with what it obviously represents.
People can pretend otherwise all they like, but this is what begins to happen to a society when it is intentionally and purposefully divided and riled up at every opportunity, for years at a time. This is a brief glimpse at a new national mood and an increasingly aggressive collective mindset - for people to dismiss it as a few football fans being thugs would be beyond naive. This isn’t solely about football, this is a behavioural change.The football side of last night was obviously cripplingly disappointing. We ceded the ball for 80 minutes to disastrous effect, made the wrong substitutions and had the wrong penalty takers. A grim watch and a missed opportunity.
But the overwhelming bitterness for me today is the shame that the off-field antics have brought on the country this tournament. I'm sure it's been mentioned up the thread somewhere, but seeing the videos yesterday and this morning of what was going on in London and in Wembley, and the horrific racist abuse that was predictably levelled at the penalty takers as soon as that last penalty was saved, has been mortifying. They would be bad enough in themselves - but for me they colour all the other reports of England fans' at-best questionable behaviour this tournament.
In isolation they can be explained away as being the actions of a small minority, not representative of the entire fan base. Booing the knee? It's only a vocal minority, whose boos were drowned out by the majority. Booing the opponent's national anthem? Just a bit of footballing pantomime (even though this is obviously coloured by the xenophobic atmosphere gripping the country at the moment). Laser in the eyes, a Danish family attacked on their way home? Just a couple of individual idiots, they don't represent the fanbase as a whole.
But the scenes yesterday, the carnage in central London, the hordes of people storming into Wembley, the violence everywhere on a day that was supposed to be a celebration of English football's greatest achievement in 55 years means that, for me, it can't be brushed under the carpet as some extreme minority. For all the talk of how this wonderful team has 'brought the country together' over the past month and 'given us all something to cheer about', it's clear that a massive proportion of the country are simply complete C***s. The tournament, and the success that it has brought, hasn't 'brought out the best' in the country - it's brought out the obnoxious, violent, racist worst.
I'm not sure whether this is just me still feeling gutted the morning after. But it really feels like my overriding memory of this tournament will be, not pride and excitement in an England team reaching a major final, and memories of the wonderful moments, shared with some of my favourite people in the world, that brought us there, but shame that this is the country that represents me. And it is very difficult this morning to reconcile my enthusiasm for English football with what it obviously represents.
Have a watch of the Graham Taylor documentary again, watch the Phil neal, Laurie mcmenemy, Taylor trio in action, and you’ll be glad to see GS thinking for himselfSouthgate was mostly always on his own. Very rarely did you see the back room team alongside him on the touch line. Mancini had plenty of advice and support from his team. Italy were very together on and off the pitch.
I like that in a team.