FA Cup is a great leveller. You follow Spurs?No team should ever lose, but it happens doesn't it? Should Spurs sack Pochettino for drawing with League 1 and League 2 clubs? Pretty shocking to happen again.....
FA Cup is a great leveller. You follow Spurs?No team should ever lose, but it happens doesn't it? Should Spurs sack Pochettino for drawing with League 1 and League 2 clubs? Pretty shocking to happen again.....
Nah. Not fussed about them. Find their fans funny thoughFA Cup is a great leveller. You follow Spurs?
No team should ever lose, but it happens doesn't it? Should Spurs sack Pochettino for drawing with League 1 and League 2 clubs? Pretty shocking to happen again.....
You do realise this is a fans forum where anyone can write any old shite and it doesn’t become fact, people are looking at things far too seriously and take what is posted on here as gospel.That is an attack on the individuals and does not address the actual issues, other than some guesses on your part. Lets stick to the facts. They presented online research to back up their points. Where were they demonstrably wrong?
Shadows in Monaco, shadows deep in the bowels of the breeze block.....or standing in the shadows, where the in crowd meet? .....if it's the latter it could indeed be an, err, Secret AffairSpeaking of Sartori, has he done anything of note since enquiring with us? No rumours of him turning up at other clubs that could be marketable at all?
I don’t recall him saying ‘never say never’. One wonders whether he may be lurking in the shadows somewhere!
But we’ve only been told these things by the same people. People that really wanted sartori’s involvement. The back sartori campaign has followed the exact line of the back the methven bid, do all u can to make Darryl/tiger look the terrible option, so that fans support the other. Darryl has turned out to be nowhere near the evil asset stripping venture capitalist he was made out to be, and tiger could equally be the same. The same people only ever mention the positives with sartori and the negatives with tiger, why do u think that is. If sartori has come in and completed WE we would be paying rent to his holding company while he developed and made money on the surrounding land (sound familiar). Yet it’s given as an example of tiger asset stripping at Reading. I also think the sartori bid was very heavily reliant on WE, so that could have been the delay for which Darryl pulled out when he found he had been punted nothing more than a dream. I’d be happy to get investment from either party it’s clear we need it and Darryl has been open in saying with himself
But we’ve only been told these things by the same people. People that really wanted sartori’s involvement. The back sartori campaign has followed the exact line of the back the methven bid, do all u can to make Darryl/tiger look the terrible option, so that fans support the other. Darryl has turned out to be nowhere near the evil asset stripping venture capitalist he was made out to be, and tiger could equally be the same. The same people only ever mention the positives with sartori and the negatives with tiger, why do u think that is. If sartori has come in and completed WE we would be paying rent to his holding company while he developed and made money on the surrounding land (sound familiar). Yet it’s given as an example of tiger asset stripping at Reading. I also think the sartori bid was very heavily reliant on WE, so that could have been the delay for which Darryl pulled out when he found he had been punted nothing more than a dream. I’d be happy to get investment from either party it’s clear we need it and Darryl has been open in saying with himself
I've just had a telephone call, alerting me to the fact that someone is lying about the Sartori bid on the forum. Hence my (brief, I hope) return. No surprises that it is little lickspittle Dave...sigh.
Here are the facts about the "Sartori bid". Donald and Jeremy Faulkner will confirm that they are true, if asked. If necessary, I can simply do an email dump. Which I will do if people keep on lying. I don't give a damn if everyone forgets about Sartori altogether. But I'm not going to let liars propagate a false folklore.
1. Sartori approached me last January and said that he wanted to buy an English football club
2. I introduced him to Donald in February
3. Donald - after doing his own research on Sartori - introduced him to DE shortly after, as DE had indicated that he wanted out and Donald clearly felt that he was a credible bidder
4. After some negotiation, Sartori (with Donald as supporting minority interest) made a bid in March. It was rejected. He made another bid. It was rejected. He made a third bid. It was accepted by DE and went into due diligence
5. As part of due diligence - and responsibly, as the bid had been accepted - Donald and Faulkner introduced Sartori to Kassam in April. They met, twice, in Monaco to negotiate a wrap-around lease on the Kassam Stadium
6. Sartori had hired property consultants to do the due diligence on both Grenoble Road and the likelihood of a move elsewhere. The consultants reported back that buying the Kassam Stadium was total pie in the sky, and moving elsewhere no more than a 30% likelihood in the short to medium term, so he had better make sure to get a solid lease from Kassam.
7. Sartori - as Donald will confirm, if asked - had the backing of Monaco for OUFC to become a partner club if he could get Oxford promoted to the Championship. But not in League 1. Therefore, his plan was to inject significant capital to gain promotion to League 1, either move the stadium or build the fourth stand as part of the new lease with Kassam and start the partnership with Monaco.
8. The deal was due to complete in early to mid June, but on June 8 DE wrote to Sartori to say that the deal was off, and that he had decided that he wanted to continue as owner.
9. Three weeks later, Michael Appleton resigned. Two weeks later than that, I heard for the first time that a new bid had been made for the club (mid to late July) at a higher figure than Sartori/ Donald. A couple of weeks after that, in August, "Tiger" appeared at his first OUFC game and has been hanging around, on and off, more or less ever since.
The Sartori bid is history. No need to discuss it at all (unless it is to set the record straight). And there are no facts to suggest that Sartori would have been successful or unsuccessful. It was well-funded (ask Donald) and the due diligence had been done very, very thoroughly. But he still could have failed. Of course he could.
But if you want to defend Tiger's bid, then just do so on the basis of its own merits (or lack of them). Don't try to pretend that the reason that people have misgivings about Tiger's record is because they are, or were, Sartori supporters. If anyone, including Sartori, had asset stripped any local club, questions would, and should, have been asked. If anyone had spent a whole season hanging around any club behaving as if he were the owner, without having actually brassed up, people would ridicule him, let alone ask questions. These questions have nothing to do with Sartori. They are genuine, obvious questions that only so-called supporters who have been 'bought up' by vested interests would pretend not to be interested in.
It wasn't a phone call, someone put a Charlie shaped light in the sky as a distress signal!!!Interesting synopsis Charles. Spare us the 'just had a phone call' dramatics though! You've been viewing the forum. 'Viewers' are shown on the forum home page as 'members online'.
PS Tend to agree that the Sartori saga should really be consigned to history now.
Interesting synopsis Charles. Spare us the 'just had a phone call' dramatics though! You've been viewing the forum. 'Viewers' are shown on the forum home page as 'members online'.
PS Tend to agree that the Sartori saga should really be consigned to history now.
I've just had a telephone call, alerting me to the fact that someone is lying about the Sartori bid on the forum. Hence my (brief, I hope) return. No surprises that it is little lickspittle Dave...sigh.
Here are the facts about the "Sartori bid". Donald and Jeremy Faulkner will confirm that they are true, if asked. If necessary, I can simply do an email dump. Which I will do if people keep on lying. I don't give a damn if everyone forgets about Sartori altogether. But I'm not going to let liars propagate a false folklore.
1. Sartori approached me last January and said that he wanted to buy an English football club
2. I introduced him to Donald in February
3. Donald - after doing his own research on Sartori - introduced him to DE shortly after, as DE had indicated that he wanted out and Donald clearly felt that he was a credible bidder
4. After some negotiation, Sartori (with Donald as supporting minority interest) made a bid in March. It was rejected. He made another bid. It was rejected. He made a third bid. It was accepted by DE and went into due diligence
5. As part of due diligence - and responsibly, as the bid had been accepted - Donald and Faulkner introduced Sartori to Kassam in April. They met, twice, in Monaco to negotiate a wrap-around lease on the Kassam Stadium
6. Sartori had hired property consultants to do the due diligence on both Grenoble Road and the likelihood of a move elsewhere. The consultants reported back that buying the Kassam Stadium was total pie in the sky, and moving elsewhere no more than a 30% likelihood in the short to medium term, so he had better make sure to get a solid lease from Kassam.
7. Sartori - as Donald will confirm, if asked - had the backing of Monaco for OUFC to become a partner club if he could get Oxford promoted to the Championship. But not in League 1. Therefore, his plan was to inject significant capital to gain promotion to League 1, either move the stadium or build the fourth stand as part of the new lease with Kassam and start the partnership with Monaco.
8. The deal was due to complete in early to mid June, but on June 8 DE wrote to Sartori to say that the deal was off, and that he had decided that he wanted to continue as owner.
9. Three weeks later, Michael Appleton resigned. Two weeks later than that, I heard for the first time that a new bid had been made for the club (mid to late July) at a higher figure than Sartori/ Donald. A couple of weeks after that, in August, "Tiger" appeared at his first OUFC game and has been hanging around, on and off, more or less ever since.
The Sartori bid is history. No need to discuss it at all (unless it is to set the record straight). And there are no facts to suggest that Sartori would have been successful or unsuccessful. It was well-funded (ask Donald) and the due diligence had been done very, very thoroughly. But he still could have failed. Of course he could.
But if you want to defend Tiger's bid, then just do so on the basis of its own merits (or lack of them). Don't try to pretend that the reason that people have misgivings about Tiger's record is because they are, or were, Sartori supporters. If anyone, including Sartori, had asset stripped any local club, questions would, and should, have been asked. If anyone had spent a whole season hanging around any club behaving as if he were the owner, without having actually brassed up, people would ridicule him, let alone ask questions. These questions have nothing to do with Sartori. They are genuine, obvious questions that only so-called supporters who have been 'bought up' by vested interests would pretend not to be interested in.
You have to question whether Satori was trying to get the club on the cheap considering his first 2 bids were dismissed out of hand and the 3rd one failed too. The money invested by DE and the relative value of our playing squad in the summer was in the public domain so do we think DE was out to make a few quid too, or did Satori undervalue the club?
Also, if Satori wanted to take us on a journey to Championship feeder club and PL success, why not stump up a few extra quid to do it? Or, why not look at a clubs such as Birmingham or Reading that could avoid the hassle of sorting out stadiums and the lottery of promotion?
As with the whole WE debate, it is easy to put any spin on the situation (especially if you are being paid to do so) but business is not about comic book good and bad guys.
I’m pretty surprised you put this info out into the public domain, for little more than a quibble on an obscure Internet forum.I've just had a telephone call, alerting me to the fact that someone is lying about the Sartori bid on the forum. Hence my (brief, I hope) return. No surprises that it is little lickspittle Dave...sigh.
Here are the facts about the "Sartori bid". Donald and Jeremy Faulkner will confirm that they are true, if asked. If necessary, I can simply do an email dump. Which I will do if people keep on lying. I don't give a damn if everyone forgets about Sartori altogether. But I'm not going to let liars propagate a false folklore.
1. Sartori approached me last January and said that he wanted to buy an English football club
2. I introduced him to Donald in February
3. Donald - after doing his own research on Sartori - introduced him to DE shortly after, as DE had indicated that he wanted out and Donald clearly felt that he was a credible bidder
4. After some negotiation, Sartori (with Donald as supporting minority interest) made a bid in March. It was rejected. He made another bid. It was rejected. He made a third bid. It was accepted by DE and went into due diligence
5. As part of due diligence - and responsibly, as the bid had been accepted - Donald and Faulkner introduced Sartori to Kassam in April. They met, twice, in Monaco to negotiate a wrap-around lease on the Kassam Stadium
6. Sartori had hired property consultants to do the due diligence on both Grenoble Road and the likelihood of a move elsewhere. The consultants reported back that buying the Kassam Stadium was total pie in the sky, and moving elsewhere no more than a 30% likelihood in the short to medium term, so he had better make sure to get a solid lease from Kassam.
7. Sartori - as Donald will confirm, if asked - had the backing of Monaco for OUFC to become a partner club if he could get Oxford promoted to the Championship. But not in League 1. Therefore, his plan was to inject significant capital to gain promotion to League 1, either move the stadium or build the fourth stand as part of the new lease with Kassam and start the partnership with Monaco.
8. The deal was due to complete in early to mid June, but on June 8 DE wrote to Sartori to say that the deal was off, and that he had decided that he wanted to continue as owner.
9. Three weeks later, Michael Appleton resigned. Two weeks later than that, I heard for the first time that a new bid had been made for the club (mid to late July) at a higher figure than Sartori/ Donald. A couple of weeks after that, in August, "Tiger" appeared at his first OUFC game and has been hanging around, on and off, more or less ever since.
The Sartori bid is history. No need to discuss it at all (unless it is to set the record straight). And there are no facts to suggest that Sartori would have been successful or unsuccessful. It was well-funded (ask Donald) and the due diligence had been done very, very thoroughly. But he still could have failed. Of course he could.
But if you want to defend Tiger's bid, then just do so on the basis of its own merits (or lack of them). Don't try to pretend that the reason that people have misgivings about Tiger's record is because they are, or were, Sartori supporters. If anyone, including Sartori, had asset stripped any local club, questions would, and should, have been asked. If anyone had spent a whole season hanging around any club behaving as if he were the owner, without having actually brassed up, people would ridicule him, let alone ask questions. These questions have nothing to do with Sartori. They are genuine, obvious questions that only so-called supporters who have been 'bought up' by vested interests would pretend not to be interested in.
Fascinating. Because you yave
Fascinating. Because you have always given precisely the impression of believing that some of your fellow fans are indeed 'bad guys.'
For the record, what you say is doubtless correct. If Sartori had offered what Tiger offered he would have been successful. You are also right in implying that there is nothing wrong about the owner of a private business selling to the highest bidder.
Probably best to leave out the nonsense about selling to the highest bidder being in the best interests of the club. Cos it then gets rather embarrassing when said bidder then spends 7 months scrabbling around trying to find the funding. Doesnt necessarily inspire confidence, does it?, that when the club needs further investment going forward that it will be forthcoming.. ..