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Corbyn for President of a United Ireland
But if you haven't even moved and just had a little bit of a recce at an Australian realtor website, how do you know what it will really be like? We voted to leave, not to have a 1 week "Wanted Down Under" experience where we might change our mind or still do it, and not have another vote. Cameron tried to have a week in Australia but the EU didn't want that.My family had a vote on whether we should move to Australia. I said ‘it will be brilliant, we’ll have a massive house, we’ll all get brilliant jobs and the town we live in will be lovely’ so we voted to move there, 5-4 in favour. We’ve now had a chance to go over there and check out the actual house we’d be buying, and see the town we’d be living in - wouldn’t it make sense to have another vote before we make the massive decision to up sticks and move - especially now we have much more information?
No-one in the leave campaign three years ago described anything like Boris’ deal, or said we may have to crash out without a deal, so a large percentage of people voted for a Brexit which simply cannot happen. To deny everyone another chance to vote now we have much, much more information on what we’re voting for is just being afraid that people won’t vote for Brexit now they see what it actually entails and you can’t make up fantasy scenarios like ‘it will be easy! We will save £350m just like that!’
Except that workers rights are still up for grabs and always were. But...amused me ......
That is the part which invalidates your entire argument. The vote was, in your words, based on lies, and on no thought of how to go forwards. Therefore another is needed. To say, after saying the first vote was won by lies and with a lack of information, we have to honour it before seeing where to go next, is frankly bonkers.Both sides lied, both sides didn't entirely have it scoped out
Yeah but APART from that.That is the part which invalidates your entire argument. The vote was, in your words, based on lies, and on no thought of how to go forwards. Therefore another is needed. To say, after saying the first vote was won by lies and with a lack of information, we have to honour it before seeing where to go next, is frankly bonkers.
... If you need to ask... ?Where does a vote "based on lies" come into it?
... If you need to ask... ?
Where does a vote "based on lies" come into it?
Both sides put their arguments, the voters listened and made their choice.
Everyone had the same choice, to vote Leave or Remain .... or not vote at all.
The turnout was 72.2% and the electorate voted to Leave the EU.
It was always going to be complex untangling 40+ years of regulation and deals but that doesn`t mean it should not be done.
The first hurdle is accepting we are leaving, and that has been kicked along for 3+ years until Boris drew his line in the sand of the 31st October.
Once that hurdle is overcome, with the core negotiations done of retaining certain aspects and losing others, then the rest of the job can be done.
Another referendum? 22 weeks minimum to organise.
Remember it can only be a positive or a negative choice question so "Leave with an unknown deal" can`t be on it. What would the options be then?
Remain or Leave............ done that one.
A General Election would be a far better way of reinforcing the will of the Nation.
Tory`s for "getting on with it".
Lib-Dems for "binning it & rejoining".
Labour for ...... well who knows....
Uncle Nigel will have served his purpose and can go back to the sidelines.
People seem to forget how a referendum works.
It has to be a simple positive or negative response to a simple question, equality & fairness and "lowest common denominator" comes into play.
That also rules out "deal options" because none of them are factual or predictable.
So the first question in `75 was based on a pre-prepared renegotiation of our membership ...... the deal had been done and was then voted on.
Stay in "Yes" or "No". Yes won that one.
This time round the vote was held to decide if we should Leave or Remain ....... No won that one. So now the deal has to be done.
Lets surmise we have a confirmatory referendum ............. on what? Remember the caveats of a referendum.
We either go back to the 1975 model of question................ but we can`t because there isn`t a "legal agreement,confirmed fact or set of facts", to vote on.
Or we re-run a straight Leave or Remain.
And waste another 6 months........
Lets say Leave win 52/48 again....... what then? Eternal hiatus until the right result comes out?
Then chuck in a GE........
And we wonder why folk are disengaged with politics when the most simple ballot of the people isn`t enacted as they wished.
I don’t think you are correct. Both Theresa May’s and Boris Johnson’s deal have been fully agreed and ratified by the EU. Therefore they are legally set and ready to go. ‘No deal’ doesn’t need the same agreement, it is a set of circumstances which result in us not having a deal, so again we could do that immediately.
A simple question on a referendum ballot could be:
When it comes to the UK leaving the European Union do you wish to:
1. Leave -
With Boris Johnson’s deal
With Theresa May’s Deal
Without a deal
2. Remain
That is very simple and clear. Frankly, if an individual couldn’t understand that, or be bothered to research the vast differences between the three leave options, I don’t think they should be having a say in our countries future.
Under the remain box you put the 3 leave options as well. If leave wins, the entire electorate then has a say in how to leave. It's pretty simple.And how will the votes be counted then?
Are you suggesting adding up all the Leave options against Remain?
Then going with the larger of the three Leave options?
So, based on the previous referendum, the 52% gets split 3 ways...... but one of them, possibly as few as 34% of Leave voters alone gets to decide the exit route for the country?