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In the next 6 months would you prefer,

  • 1- To continue to allow the politicians to try and thrash out a deal to leave.

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • 2- Have a general election (which could result in 1,3 or 4)

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • 3- Put a revised set of options to the people to vote on

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • 4. Revoke Article 50

    Votes: 17 47.2%
  • 5. Other

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • 5- No Deal

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • 6- Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    36

gofish2

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I am interested to see what people think in view of the latest EU decision.

I have managed to put 'other' twice. This is an example of how difficult Brexit is!!!
 
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Interesting poll, but I suspect many voting for option five ('other') would vote 'no deal' if the option was offered. Perhaps the fifth option should be 'no deal', with option six 'other'?
 

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Just a summary of how the losers intend to grind the referendum result , which was to "Leave the European Union", to dust.
Keep asking questions until you get the "right" answer.
As someone who has changed their mind across the last two referendum from "remain" to "leave" the appeal of WTO just to stop the water torture is becoming more appealing than May`s "deal".
 

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Just a summary of how the losers intend to grind the referendum result , which was to "Leave the European Union", to dust.
Keep asking questions until you get the "right" answer.
As someone who has changed their mind across the last two referendum from "remain" to "leave" the appeal of WTO just to stop the water torture is becoming more appealing than May`s "deal".
As I write there's only been 18 votes on this poll, so things might change, but 56% are currently in favour of revoking Article 50. On the last Brexit poll on here 49% wanted a no deal Brexit. Could it be that intelligent people are changing their minds now they're in possession of more information and understand the pros and cons of Brexit better?

Who knows, but I prefer that idea to referring in a derogatory way to 'losers'. As someone who admits to having changed their own mind about being in the EU, why can't you accept that others might have done the same?
 
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The WTO / No Deal / Just Leave option is hugely unappealing to MPs of (virtually) all persuasions. Which is why the one thing they have actually voted for is to remove that as an option. It was of course May's plan to use the No Deal option as a big scary option to cow MPs into voting for her deal. Whatever the rights and wrongs, that has failed.
 

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As someone who admits to having changed their own mind about being in the EU, why can't you accept that others might have done the same?
Several reasons.
1. "We" (the electorate) waited 40+ years to be asked again.
2. "We" (the electorate) gave our politicians a simple instruction. Leave the EU.
3. "They" (the politicians) promised to implement the will of "Us" (the electorate).
4. The result. A majority won in the largest political event this country has seen.
5. A few hundred people in parliament are as split as the country was, however their overall balance is in a polar opposite to the people.
6. We will now have to endure more uncertainty, EU elections and similar waste. The position isn`t changing.

What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
When we became better informed, & the cuckoo in the nest had had 40+ years to grow, we woke up and decided we didn`t want it any more.

How many times do you want to "Ask the people" ? Bearing in mind the result of what we voted for hasn`t even been delivered yet!

PS: "Losers" is not derogatory..... its a statement of fact. In a two horse race one wins, one loses................ although it seems society now thinks that anyone "losing" is harshly treated.
 

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Several reasons.
1. "We" (the electorate) waited 40+ years to be asked again. Who dictates how long is long enough to wait? Two years could be long enough if enough new information is now available.
2. "We" (the electorate) gave our politicians a simple instruction. Leave the EU. 'Simple' is the word. At risk of going round in circles, no-one knew what 'leave' meant.
3. "They" (the politicians) promised to implement the will of "Us" (the electorate). Yes. Politicians lied. Who'd have thought it?
4. The result. A majority won in the largest political event this country has seen. ..... and minds may have changed since ....
5. A few hundred people in parliament are as split as the country was, however their overall balance is in a polar opposite to the people. MPs are elected to make decisions on behalf of their constituents. Clearly their decisions didn't always reflect the wishes of the majority of their constituents. Maybe their constituents should vote them out at the next opportunity?
6. We will now have to endure more uncertainty, EU elections and similar waste. The position isn`t changing. None of which are reasons for people not changing their minds.

What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
When we became better informed, & the cuckoo in the nest had had 40+ years to grow, we woke up and decided we didn`t want it any more. You think we were better informed at the time of the vote in 2016? On what basis do you make that claim?

How many times do you want to "Ask the people" ? Bearing in mind the result of what we voted for hasn`t even been delivered yet! You said it. We're still in the EU, and perhaps many more people want to maintain that position.

PS: "Losers" is not derogatory..... its a statement of fact. In a two horse race one wins, one loses................ although it seems society now thinks that anyone "losing" is harshly treated. 'Losers' - in this context - is a term used by Cassox and one or two others in a derogatory sense. I expect it of Cassox.
 

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We can have a six week/six month/six year extension to Brexit, but the problem is that there will never be a consensus over what the “right” deal is for the UK to leave – if plan “A” is proposed, some will only support it if is amended to plan “B” and then others will want those changes withdrawn or watered down to plan ”C”, while others will propose a whole new approach called plan “D” which will follow the same evolution into plan “E” & plan “F”.

And then the merry-go-round will start again - I think we have reached the point where we either revoke Article 50 or leave and sort the mess out afterwards.

Revoking Article 50 could be political suicide for the party that did it and would IMHO see a surge in support for right wing parties across the UK.

“No Deal” is a step into an unknown future, but I cannot see any other way that the stalemate can be broken and at least if it were done, everyone can focus on getting on with actually negotiating something tangible from a known starting point.
 

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What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
That is simply wrong. It was clearly stated at the time the direction of travel that the EU (as is now called) was going. Links below:



 

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Several reasons.
1. "We" (the electorate) waited 40+ years to be asked again.
2. "We" (the electorate) gave our politicians a simple instruction. Leave the EU.
3. "They" (the politicians) promised to implement the will of "Us" (the electorate).
4. The result. A majority won in the largest political event this country has seen.
5. A few hundred people in parliament are as split as the country was, however their overall balance is in a polar opposite to the people.
6. We will now have to endure more uncertainty, EU elections and similar waste. The position isn`t changing.

What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
When we became better informed, & the cuckoo in the nest had had 40+ years to grow, we woke up and decided we didn`t want it any more.

How many times do you want to "Ask the people" ? Bearing in mind the result of what we voted for hasn`t even been delivered yet!

PS: "Losers" is not derogatory..... its a statement of fact. In a two horse race one wins, one loses................ although it seems society now thinks that anyone "losing" is harshly treated.

Is it in anyway sensible to allow someone without a clue on a matter to make an important decision?

Perhaps we should make important decisions by simply rolling dice? Whatever the dice come up with, we stick to, no matter the facts, no matter the consequences?
 
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