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In the next 6 months would you prefer,

  • 1- To continue to allow the politicians to try and thrash out a deal to leave.

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • 2- Have a general election (which could result in 1,3 or 4)

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • 3- Put a revised set of options to the people to vote on

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • 4. Revoke Article 50

    Votes: 19 45.2%
  • 5. Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • 5- No Deal

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • 6- Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    42

gofish2

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I am interested to see what people think in view of the latest EU decision.

I have managed to put 'other' twice. This is an example of how difficult Brexit is!!!
 
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Essexyellows

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Just a summary of how the losers intend to grind the referendum result , which was to "Leave the European Union", to dust.
Keep asking questions until you get the "right" answer.
As someone who has changed their mind across the last two referendum from "remain" to "leave" the appeal of WTO just to stop the water torture is becoming more appealing than May`s "deal".
 

ZeroTheHero

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The WTO / No Deal / Just Leave option is hugely unappealing to MPs of (virtually) all persuasions. Which is why the one thing they have actually voted for is to remove that as an option. It was of course May's plan to use the No Deal option as a big scary option to cow MPs into voting for her deal. Whatever the rights and wrongs, that has failed.
 

Essexyellows

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As someone who admits to having changed their own mind about being in the EU, why can't you accept that others might have done the same?
Several reasons.
1. "We" (the electorate) waited 40+ years to be asked again.
2. "We" (the electorate) gave our politicians a simple instruction. Leave the EU.
3. "They" (the politicians) promised to implement the will of "Us" (the electorate).
4. The result. A majority won in the largest political event this country has seen.
5. A few hundred people in parliament are as split as the country was, however their overall balance is in a polar opposite to the people.
6. We will now have to endure more uncertainty, EU elections and similar waste. The position isn`t changing.

What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
When we became better informed, & the cuckoo in the nest had had 40+ years to grow, we woke up and decided we didn`t want it any more.

How many times do you want to "Ask the people" ? Bearing in mind the result of what we voted for hasn`t even been delivered yet!

PS: "Losers" is not derogatory..... its a statement of fact. In a two horse race one wins, one loses................ although it seems society now thinks that anyone "losing" is harshly treated.
 

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We can have a six week/six month/six year extension to Brexit, but the problem is that there will never be a consensus over what the “right” deal is for the UK to leave – if plan “A” is proposed, some will only support it if is amended to plan “B” and then others will want those changes withdrawn or watered down to plan ”C”, while others will propose a whole new approach called plan “D” which will follow the same evolution into plan “E” & plan “F”.

And then the merry-go-round will start again - I think we have reached the point where we either revoke Article 50 or leave and sort the mess out afterwards.

Revoking Article 50 could be political suicide for the party that did it and would IMHO see a surge in support for right wing parties across the UK.

“No Deal” is a step into an unknown future, but I cannot see any other way that the stalemate can be broken and at least if it were done, everyone can focus on getting on with actually negotiating something tangible from a known starting point.
 

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What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
That is simply wrong. It was clearly stated at the time the direction of travel that the EU (as is now called) was going. Links below:



 

Oxymoron

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Does that mean we can have a 2nd "1975 referendum" on the grounds that people didn't really understand what they were voting for.......
 

Ian

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Several reasons.
1. "We" (the electorate) waited 40+ years to be asked again.
2. "We" (the electorate) gave our politicians a simple instruction. Leave the EU.
3. "They" (the politicians) promised to implement the will of "Us" (the electorate).
4. The result. A majority won in the largest political event this country has seen.
5. A few hundred people in parliament are as split as the country was, however their overall balance is in a polar opposite to the people.
6. We will now have to endure more uncertainty, EU elections and similar waste. The position isn`t changing.

What we were in was a trade agreement, the majority don`t have an issue with that. It was simplified as such in the 70`s and the electorate was far less well informed and certainly were not told what it would become.
When we became better informed, & the cuckoo in the nest had had 40+ years to grow, we woke up and decided we didn`t want it any more.

How many times do you want to "Ask the people" ? Bearing in mind the result of what we voted for hasn`t even been delivered yet!

PS: "Losers" is not derogatory..... its a statement of fact. In a two horse race one wins, one loses................ although it seems society now thinks that anyone "losing" is harshly treated.

Is it in anyway sensible to allow someone without a clue on a matter to make an important decision?

Perhaps we should make important decisions by simply rolling dice? Whatever the dice come up with, we stick to, no matter the facts, no matter the consequences?
 

pooshooter

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Can we have a referendum on:-

Do you want to leave or remain in the united kingdom soon?
 
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