chuckbert
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Fair enough - you’ve convinced me. the only clear and demonstrable advantage that can be unambiguously incorporated across the board is home advantage.
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How do people actually rate the chances that weighted points per game will actually be used, then? The original article in The Athletic says that is the 'current favourite' option, but doesn't really substantiate this and also goes on to suggest that several EFL clubs hadn't even heard the proposal. The article also mentions a whole host of other ideas that are still under discussion.
It's difficult to think about the idea dispassionately as an Oxford fan, but whilst it's not perfect it must represent an improvement on standard PPG, which doesn't consider the statistical fact that there is an advantage to playing at home. In an ideal world, variables such as form and the difficulty of opponents would also be taken into account but this is overly convoluted and of course highly subjective. Therefore the weighted PPG system genuinely seems like the 'least worst' option to me, apart from playing the remaining fixtures when it is safe to do so-but this seems less and less likely with every passing day. Paul Warne floated the idea of playing the playoffs at St George's park the other day, but this seems to fail to realise that the EFL are demanding an end to the season with no more matches played in L1 and L2.
Weighted PPG is not without precedent of course as can be seen with Rugby Union. Whilst I'm wary of getting my hopes up just yet, I can't help but think about the prospect of watching the Yellows in the Championship next season...
It's difficult to think about the idea dispassionately as an Oxford fan, but whilst it's not perfect it must represent an improvement on standard PPG, which doesn't consider the statistical fact that there is an advantage to playing at home. In an ideal world, variables such as form and the difficulty of opponents would also be taken into account but this is overly convoluted and of course highly subjective. Therefore the weighted PPG system genuinely seems like the 'least worst' option to me, apart from playing the remaining fixtures when it is safe to do so-but this seems less and less likely with every passing day. Paul Warne floated the idea of playing the playoffs at St George's park the other day, but this seems to fail to realise that the EFL are demanding an end to the season with no more matches played in L1 and L2.
Weighted PPG is not without precedent of course as can be seen with Rugby Union. Whilst I'm wary of getting my hopes up just yet, I can't help but think about the prospect of watching the Yellows in the Championship next season...
Is it me but why is he posting the team Bolton fielded against Rotherham alongside the one against us?! Call me cynical, but is it because if he had put up the team that Wycombe played against we would in fact see a boatload of changes...Fair enough - you’ve convinced me. the only clear and demonstrable advantage that can be unambiguously incorporated across the board is home advantage.
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No, you're wrong, Wanderer told us....
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But your game in hand on the current table, is against Coventry. If you played that and lost or drew you still would be behind us. The other 9 games are irrelevant in my eyes. Anyways drums aren't tolerated in the championship so on that ruling if anyone should go up finishing 3rd it should be us.
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I was in that boat until today when (a) I read the article proposing that we might actually go up, and (b) I watched the promotion game against Wycombe with my boy, and now I’m a believer
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But you have to win your game in hand, but I thought the game in hand was Coventry and don’t forget you would have lost to us so you wouldn’t have gone up automatically make if you had made the play offs you may not have won your semi let alone the final, and you were in free fall. So no you shouldn’t get the nod thatsnwhybifnan unfair system of PPG is brought in to make the choice for promotion/relegation it has to be on home and away on which case we go up.
simple answer Null and Void and start on 0 points except Bolton on Minus 12
I said a few days ago that it was all over for me and I had “shamefully” lost interest.
But this ”Wycombe fan in peace” just spiked a bit of interest ?
Oh for Christ’s sake ... wake up and smell the coffee.This is so basic to understand it’s unreal.
You didn’t play a game that weekend though did you? You are still one game in arrears when lockdown started, and that game is against Coventry because that is what the fixture list says.
Oh my days....
Ah nice moving of the goalposts after your original point was shown to be massively incorrect
Bolton picked up 2 points from 7 games before making their signings
8 from their next 7 games afterwards
they were clearly a much better side after
To each their own but I would be massively excited about us being in the Championship
We have a good squad who worked very hard for it and it would be great for them, and id much rather have a sold out stadium at home and away days with 20k attendances most weeks
Not really sure why you would even follow us if you don’t care one bit about it but oh well
We have a good squad who worked very hard for it and it would be great for them, and id much rather have a sold out stadium at home and away days with 20k attendances most weeks
Not really sure why you would even follow us if you don’t care one bit about it but oh well
If that was with reference to my losing interest.. Of course in all honesty I would love to see us go up and enjoy exactly what you have described.
The problem is, with everything going on at the moment and the outlook for the next year to 18 months, not to mention the procrastination by the EFL, I just feel that other matters and priorities have just taken over in my day to day mindset.
Having said that, if next week we discover the vote has been taken, we finish 3rd and that gets us promoted, well, I have no doubt my mood would life and I would be properly excited.
That’s fair, although my post wasn’t just directed at you, i’ve seen a few people on here say the same thing, as well as on the Wycombe forum just on Twitter and what not generally, and I do understand about there being more important things in life than promotion
Don't worry everyone I've sorted it all out.
If we use the weighted PPG we have from nige01ox, but add in a difficulty factor we have the solution.
I'll explain, try to keep up
Oxford have a Home PPG of 2.1176 and an away PPG of 1.3333. These are the teams we have to play with their PPG:
For each game still to be played the 3 points available are allocated based on a formula using each team's PPG. The formula being:
Home pts = 3 * (Home PPG/(Home PPG + Away PPG))
Away pts = 3 * (Away PPG/(Home PPG + Away PPG))
So when we play MK Dons the points are split 2.4 to us and 0.6 points to them. In other words the PPG is adjusted for the difficulty of the game.
The points for the remaining fixtures come out as :
We get a further 16.41 points making our season adjusted total 76.41.
Sparing you the workings, the Wycombe points total is adjusted by 15.77 points, with a final value of 74.77.
So do we get promotion? I haven't worked out the other protagonists yet. But we finish above WWFC.
If we use the weighted PPG we have from nige01ox, but add in a difficulty factor we have the solution.
I'll explain, try to keep up
Oxford have a Home PPG of 2.1176 and an away PPG of 1.3333. These are the teams we have to play with their PPG:
For each game still to be played the 3 points available are allocated based on a formula using each team's PPG. The formula being:
Home pts = 3 * (Home PPG/(Home PPG + Away PPG))
Away pts = 3 * (Away PPG/(Home PPG + Away PPG))
So when we play MK Dons the points are split 2.4 to us and 0.6 points to them. In other words the PPG is adjusted for the difficulty of the game.
The points for the remaining fixtures come out as :
We get a further 16.41 points making our season adjusted total 76.41.
Sparing you the workings, the Wycombe points total is adjusted by 15.77 points, with a final value of 74.77.
So do we get promotion? I haven't worked out the other protagonists yet. But we finish above WWFC.
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yellowbow
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I hope not! I think that would leave a four team tie for third place. Which probably makes it clear favourite to be chosen..
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We haven’t earned the right to be in the championship, know one as I suppose at the moment . For me there was only two choices , null and void or finish the season when safe to do so .dreaming up some points per game system to determine final places is bollox . Having said that if they decide we’re in the championship next season then so be it and I’ll probably watch the games on ifollow like everyone else will have to do so
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You were running away at the top at one point, then imploded!
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That basically gives Wycombe an extra point on the same goal difference, so they move up to 6th with everything else staying the same. We'd still be 3rd on GD so would either go straight up or have some random playoffs between ourselves, Pompey, Fleetwood and Wycombe.
