Man U v Man C
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Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
2 nil to the Boys in blue. Ole's bubble is bursting badly
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Man U actually putting some effort into this game but City justice little too good for them.
DeGea has started making a few poor mistakes.
DeGea has started making a few poor mistakes.
Man U lose to Chelsea on Sunday and that’s the champions league gone, another poor season and way off even being the best club in their own city, it’s embarrassing for the ‘biggest club in the world’ but they are also rans now, that won’t change under the Glazers.
Gary Neville was so wanting MUFC to score!
brokeandobscure
Level: Jack Midson
(68 Apps, 15 Gls)
F×#k me. I paid a tenner for that! Quite enhoyed the game, but the post-match guff is awful. The bloke just asked Kompany "what do you think it will take for you to win the league fro here?". Win the remaining games you moron (is what I wish he'd said). And Roy Keane? Don't get me started. I'm just annoyed the dirty bastard's so pissed off. Makes Neville look like a genius.
brokeandobscure
Level: Jack Midson
(68 Apps, 15 Gls)
Glorious.
Liverpool’s chance of winning the league stymied and Man United losing.
Best scenario all round.
Liverpool’s chance of winning the league stymied and Man United losing.
Best scenario all round.
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
The fact Liverpool were relying on Man U to win is great. But Man U looked like a rabble and not a team. The City organisation spend a lot, but get players for their way of play, not named toys who don't play well with others. And it showed yesterday.
I do wonder if the job is too big for Solskjaer.
I do wonder if the job is too big for Solskjaer.
windmill
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
There was never a bubble to burst. Ask Cardiff.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
As you suggested City have spent big in total for players like Mendy Walker Sane B Silva etc.
But they seem to have purchased far better that Pogba £89m, Lukaku £75m, Fred £47m
Man U are almost in a position where they need to start again.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
As you say City could slip up.
But so could Liverpool at Newcastle for example .
warksox
Level: Jack Midson
(68 Apps, 15 Gls)
How the hell did Paul Pogba make it into the PFA Team of the Year?
Better than Hazard, Eriksen and Son apparently.
Completely unfathomable.
Better than Hazard, Eriksen and Son apparently.
Completely unfathomable.
mooro
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
This isnt down to OGS though is it - he managed to generate a bounce when he came in, but that squad is genuinely awful and will need a lot of turning around before they can actually sustain a decent improvement. Someone made a good point yesterday that the downturn in form for De Gea is making this team look worse, given that he often saved them in games under the previous regimes.
mooro
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
On the radio last night they asked the question to pick a team of the year from the clubs currently in 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th - which when you look at it, highlights the general lack of quality among those four teams. Yes, you could probably cobble together an XI to challenge the top two, but there would not be anything like the depth that you would expect.
I can’t see anything but 9 points for both Man City and Liverpool, they are comfortably better than the teams they are playing. Man City have averaged around 2.6 points a game from about the last 80 premier league games for instance, and Liverpool are good enough to keep up with that team. Both these teams are a bit special (feel a bit sorry for Spurs who by a few years back standard would of had a title by now), they have left the rest behind.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Agree that those 3 must have been better than Pogba this season.
It is picked by the players , so even more surprising?
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
It is a truly awful squad for a club of Man Utd's stature. A team/squad that is based around Smalling, Fred (what exactly does he do?), Lukaku, Lindelof, Jones, Sanchez etc is not going to compete at the top end. OGS will need to clear out most of that squad Land Pogba would be one of the 1st out of the door for me, at best flatters to deceive. Why the hell did they give Phil Jones another 4 year contract?!
The ones worth keeping off the top of my head for me are De Gea, Lingard, Rashford, Martial, McTominay, Shaw, Young (as experienced cover). The others not named I can't remember tbh whether they are worth keeping or not.
Would Man Utd consider a rebuilding year where OGS (is safe in his job) promotes and bloods young players from their Academy like Gomes, Henderson (as the no.2) etc? That would be my approach as they will still sign players (spending many £millions no doubt) but it gives him a season to start to change the squad culture and direction of the club. As part of this, for me, the players they should try to sign are young players with potential as well such as those at Ajax (De Ligt, Neres etc) with a few established players.
The issue being that there is so much money in the Prem that teams don't have to be clever with their recruitment.
Man Utd can afford expensive mistakes (Sanchez, Fred...Pogba?). If it doesn't work out, get rid, rinse and repeat.
That back line is hideous...were they all bought in by Fergie? Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Young?
Man Utd can afford expensive mistakes (Sanchez, Fred...Pogba?). If it doesn't work out, get rid, rinse and repeat.
That back line is hideous...were they all bought in by Fergie? Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Young?
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
He's not even better than Brannaghan!!
Was there a premier league match last night then? 
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
I've never been entirely convinced, but some seemed convinced he was the Messiah and they were on for a good finish. They were woefully exposed yesterday.
Sanchez is a prime example of the difference between the clubs. City bowed out when the money got silly, Man U couldn't get the cheque book out quick enough, and the player has done little justify the money. I suspect players know that club is a soft touch who will overpay for average and name players with little strategy.
They need someone utterly ruthless to go in there and clear it all out, but they seem to just want to renew contracts of average players so it makes it difficult for whoever comes in.
If you were to compare Eriksen and Son’s wages to Pogbas and Sanchez I reckon you would be talking between 7 times in the Man U players favour, which is ridiculous as they are inferior players who put a tenth of the effort in.
It's been mentioned earlier on this thread, but the central problem here is the Glazers.
They're in it solely and exclusively for the money (and obviously Man U is one of the only clubs that can be a reliable big time money-making venture), and it shows in the way they operate. Under any other ownership regime, Ed Woodward would've been out of a job years ago - their transfer activity under him has been an unmitigated disaster. But he's really good at maximizing commercial revenue, so it doesn't matter.
Until they decide they're serious about winning football matches and put in, from top to bottom, a skilled and experienced management team, then I think they're doomed to their current status as also rans who occasionally waste a bunch of money on some has-been or never-will-be to temporarily placate the restless fans.
Not that I'm complaining - it's fairly hilarious to watch. My Dad was born in Warrington and is a Man U fan, and I'm having much fun telling him that they're going to be waiting many decades for their next title (like the Scousers have...…). He doesn't disagree.
They're in it solely and exclusively for the money (and obviously Man U is one of the only clubs that can be a reliable big time money-making venture), and it shows in the way they operate. Under any other ownership regime, Ed Woodward would've been out of a job years ago - their transfer activity under him has been an unmitigated disaster. But he's really good at maximizing commercial revenue, so it doesn't matter.
Until they decide they're serious about winning football matches and put in, from top to bottom, a skilled and experienced management team, then I think they're doomed to their current status as also rans who occasionally waste a bunch of money on some has-been or never-will-be to temporarily placate the restless fans.
Not that I'm complaining - it's fairly hilarious to watch. My Dad was born in Warrington and is a Man U fan, and I'm having much fun telling him that they're going to be waiting many decades for their next title (like the Scousers have...…). He doesn't disagree.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
I'm really not sure that they are 'maximising' revenue. If they were in Man City's position I am sure that their revenue would be significantly higher for not a huge amount more outlay.
Regardless the revenues are adequate for the owners, but I would guess that if they miss put on the CL again the Glazers will miss the £50m they reckon they have gained by this season.
I really meant specifically maximizing commercial revenue i.e. not broadcasting or matchday revenue.
Woodward took over commercial operations in 2007. In 2009, their commercial revenues were $86.77m. In 2018, they were $363.11m - which, by the way, is about $100m more than any other UK club. And is sustainable revenue that now doesn't vary much year by year.
Not trying to defend Woodward - just saying that's why he's still in a job despite his many years of bungling in the transfer market.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
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I just reckon that they could do better financially AND be successful on.the field ( had they gone for Pep for example).
Still it gives those of us that don't like Man U some amusement!
I get where you are coming from Tony.
I just reckon that they could do better financially AND be successful on.the field ( had they gone for Pep for example).
Still it gives those of us that don't like Man U some amusement!
Oslernorth
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
Quite an incredibly head to head chase for the PL title. Liverpool haven't dropped a point since the start of March and City haven't dropped a point since the end of January.
It must be a record point accumulation for whoever finishes runner up
It must be a record point accumulation for whoever finishes runner up
I believe the current record (in a 38-game season, 3 points for a win) is Man United in 2011/12 with 89 (that was the Agueeeeeroooooo year).
So whoever loses out between Liverpool and Man City (and let's face it, it's going to be Liverpool, isn't it?) are going to smash that record.
Leicester won the title with only 81!
