Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

[CCYellow]

Huge budget? Really, why were we looking at Jerome Sinclair then?

He cost £4Million once.
Pretty big budget to me.

 

[Chippy]

Huge budget? Really, why were we looking at Jerome Sinclair then?

Possibly out of desperation as couldn’t persuade another striker to sign?

Also someone KR knows well having already played for us, and JS himself probably desperate for a new contract.

Might have felt sorry for him, as we know KR loves a croc?

It’s more than worrying when we have such a huge budget that he was even considered, let alone given a very long trial! And the top striker we desperately needed never materialised!

 

[Horse]

I see Craig Short is heading up the media interviews for tomorrow night. Perhaps the penny has dropped?

 

[RyanioBirdio]

Huge budget? Really, why were we looking at Jerome Sinclair then?

Congratulations on asking the right question. Why were we?

The £750,000 we bid for Plymouth’s second choice striker wasn’t the behaviour of a club without plenty of cash to spend, although the inability to secure him isn’t a great look for anybody tasked with closing out deals.

 

[Leysboy]

He cost £4Million once.
Pretty big budget to me.

We were reminded of that price tag during the summer window, to counter our fears and worries as to why we was even looking at him.

A complete and utter waste of time, and even played against in a friendly or two.

We should of been focused on players that match our ambitions, and this wasn’t the case.

 

[Yellowdownunder]

Karl isn't going anywhere and Chris Wilder is not coming here.

Elliot Moore back in defence has been a big positive and Matty can have a good run out tomorrow against the Chelsea kids.

Looking forward to Saturday which is the real test.

 

[Chippy]

Karl isn't going anywhere and Chris Wilder is not coming here.

Elliot Moore back in defence has been a big positive and Matty can have a good run out tomorrow against the Chelsea kids.

Looking forward to Saturday which is the real test.

Matty got injured having a good run out against the Orient kids! Let’s hope there’s no repeat of that!

 

[tatabanya]

What about Morcambe, Accrington and Fleetwood.
As I said off the top of my head, Wimbledon, Crewe, Burton, even Forrest Green. Thats without looking into it.

Clubs punching above their weight who will eventually regress back to approx where they will approximately should be with regards to fanbase and revenue.

For some clubs it takes longer. Burton being a good example, or Bradford the other way.

But, sure enough, it’s pretty much impossible to outperform the revenue available to you, which is dictated by crowd size, for a sustainable period unless you get to the have a rich benefactor and get to Premier League (Bournemouth)

Luton could be the next to really fly close to the sun, which will likely be followed by a fall akin to Blackpool, Wigan or Huddersfield.

 

[greatunclekip]

Huge budget? Really, why were we looking at Jerome Sinclair then?

I'm not sure looking at Sinclair was a massive problem per se. He once had something, he knows Karl, and if he was super keen and committed he could have been a useful option (as well as maybe sorting fans out with fried chicken discount).

The problem was twofold.

1) we put all our eggs in a Jerome shaped basket rather than giving him an opportunity to bolster in addition to ANOther.
2) when he clearly wasn't up to it, we ploughed on and on and on. Ambitious clubs simply don't do that.

 

[holdsteady]

Aren’t Bradfords crowds big because they have dirt cheap season tickets? They don’t bring in big revenue from the larger crowds if that is still so.

 

[Mellowyellow]

Huge budget? Really, why were we looking at Jerome Sinclair then?

You think he wanted a small wage?
The bids put in for some players approached £750,000+

I'll leave others to respond in kind as well.

 

[OUFCGav]

CW won't be a good match for those wanting a director of football/sporting director. He was at loggerheads with the Middlesbrough one (Kieron Scott), blaming him for the poor squad he has this season.

 

[Mellowyellow]

Clubs punching above their weight who will eventually regress back to approx where they will approximately should be with regards to fanbase and revenue.

For some clubs it takes longer. Burton being a good example, or Bradford the other way.

But, sure enough, it’s pretty much impossible to outperform the revenue available to you, which is dictated by crowd size, for a sustainable period unless you get to the have a rich benefactor and get to Premier League (Bournemouth)

Luton could be the next to really fly close to the sun, which will likely be followed by a fall akin to Blackpool, Wigan or Huddersfield.

A fall? These teams are in the championship though.
The reverse is also true, money is no guarantee of success....Sunderland, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed, when Man City tumbled to the third division.

"for a sustainable period," how long is a sustainable period. Crewe and Wimbledon seemed to manage long enough.

 

[Leysboy]

Clubs punching above their weight who will eventually regress back to approx where they will approximately should be with regards to fanbase and revenue.

For some clubs it takes longer. Burton being a good example, or Bradford the other way.

But, sure enough, it’s pretty much impossible to outperform the revenue available to you, which is dictated by crowd size, for a sustainable period unless you get to the have a rich benefactor and get to Premier League (Bournemouth)

Luton could be the next to really fly close to the sun, which will likely be followed by a fall akin to Blackpool, Wigan or Huddersfield.

Your right about small sized crowds and fanbases, do eventually go back to there level.

I would also add Yeovil and Crawley to that list, but Yeovil did manage to get to the Championship, now finding themselves back where they came from.

 

[MarkG]

Called “revert to the mean”.
Pretty much how Oxford United in division one was an exception, also in the Conference. We are somewhere between the two. Quite where is another question. I’d love to see us in the Championship. But like Rotherham how long would we last ?

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

Called “revert to the mean”.
Pretty much how Oxford United in division one was an exception, also in the Conference. We are somewhere between the two. Quite where is another question. I’d love to see us in the Championship. But like Rotherham how long would we last ?

We are much bigger than Rotherham, with far greater potential.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

We are much bigger than Rotherham, with far greater potential.

Are we bigger?
You have to go back 10 years if you want to find an average attendance for Rotherham under 8000. That was 7954 and they were in league 2.
If we got the championship then a lot of other fans would see us as a club punching above our weight.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

3Are we bigger?
You have to go back 10 years if you want to find an average attendance for Rotherham under 8000. That was 7954 and they were in league 2.
If we got the championship then a lot of other fans would see us as a club punching above our weight.

Yes we are.

Rotherham United have an exceptional stadium in a great location (for Rotherham) with excellent transport links. They are yo-yo-ing between The Championship and League One - and yet just about scrape 5 figure crowds. This is no disrespect to them. They have a very limited catchment (indeed Rotherham itself has plenty of Wednesday fans) and they are at just about the pinnacle of what they could be expected to achieve as a club.

We, on the other hand, have had no Tier 2 football for the best part of a quarter of a century. If we were in Rotherham's position I would wager we'd be looking at 12-14k in the promotion years and 15k in The Championship.

A better comparison is Reading. By the end of this season they'll have gone 20 (TWENTY) years in the top 2 divisions unbroken. This is a club that had previously spent little time above the third tier in their history.
Whilst they may be ridiculed for their poor away support, no-one in the wider football world considers Reading to now be above their station.

Absolutely no reason why we can't do something similar ourselves.

 

[CCYellow]

Are we bigger?
You have to go back 10 years if you want to find an average attendance for Rotherham under 8000. That was 7954 and they were in league 2.
If we got the championship then a lot of other fans would see us as a club punching above our weight.

We have been in the Premier League more recently than them...

 

[tonyw]

"for a sustainable period," how long is a sustainable period. Crewe and Wimbledon seemed to manage long enough.

Yeah, because they were brilliantly managed for years. Gradi developed the 'build 'em up through the academy and sell 'em on model' and did it better than anyone else at the time, while Bassett and Kinnear managed to tap into the 'everybody hates us' mentality and built a club with a pretty unique team spirit.

Great managers (on and off the pitch) get clubs with small crowds and low revenues punching above their weight. Poor managers get clubs with big crowds and revenues to match relegated and/or struggle in leagues despite having more money than their peers.

Which is why - getting back to my original point - getting Bradford into the League Two playoff places is not exactly anything to write home about when I don't think there's anyone in that division that has greater resources then they do this year. It's not a disaster either.....it's just at best par for the course.