Sheik djibouti
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If it's OK to call Bercow Poison Dwarf, can we also refer to Mark Francois as Nazi Penfold?
Show me where I have talked about the EU being undemocratic, I bet I can find a speach by your mate Corbyn saying its undemocratic quicker than you can find me saying it.Could you be specific about what I’ve made up?
I know that now Boris Johnson is Prime Minister (“ a pathological liar with no moral compass of any kind “ as one of his former colleagues called him) it’s hard for you Brexit supporters to know the difference but it would help the rest of us understand where you’re coming from.
As an ardent Remainer, STILL waiting for a coherent set of reasons why Leaving is our best option, I will obviously never agree with you on the subject of Brexit, but it seems to me childishly reckless to assume that we will never agree on anything political. Same goes for the other vehement and very active Leavers on this forum.
Indeed, like you I will never vote for Boris or any other Tory, but neither would I consider voting Labour again whilst Corbyn is in charge. I am 'liberal' (small 'L') in my views and thoughts, and in the past Labour has been the only party with any authority or of any size whose policies even vaguely aligned with my thoughts on fairness and equality. Not any longer. Corbyn has single-handedly turned a potential Labour revival into the likelihood of the party not seeing power again for decades.
Roll on the general election when I shall make a point of voting Liberal Democrat or Green. Not decided yet.
I can empathise with much of the above regarding voting intentions but in the 40 odd years that I have been able to present myself at the ballot box, I have voted for just about every (reasonable) party that has put itself forward, yet I have never been represented by anyone other than a Conservative MP.
And I cannot see that changing at the next election or any election in my lifetime - welcome to the electoral ward of Henley.
If Boris & Nigel bury the hatchet (in a ditch maybe?) then the scale of landslide could be enormous................... if we get a GE.
Fair post that Pete, as a leaver I wont be voting green or liberal either. Not much on offer for a working class leaver, that is assuming we have left by the time the next election arrives......As an ardent Remainer, STILL waiting for a coherent set of reasons why Leaving is our best option, I will obviously never agree with you on the subject of Brexit, but it seems to me childishly reckless to assume that we will never agree on anything political. Same goes for the other vehement and very active Leavers on this forum.
Indeed, like you I will never vote for Boris or any other Tory, but neither would I consider voting Labour again whilst Corbyn is in charge. I am 'liberal' (small 'L') in my views and thoughts, and in the past Labour has been the only party with any authority or of any size whose policies even vaguely aligned with my thoughts on fairness and equality. Not any longer. Corbyn has single-handedly turned a potential Labour revival into the likelihood of the party not seeing power again for decades.
Roll on the general election when I shall make a point of voting Liberal Democrat or Green. Not decided yet.
Didnt Oxford east and west constituencies overwhelming vote to remain? ? ?I think that's the key as well, EY. If they come to an agreement, then I see nothing other than a Conservative/Leave majority. That would make up for the seats the Tories will undoubtedly lose in Scotland and other pro-remain areas.
If nothing else, we live in interesting times!
Didnt Oxford east and west constituencies overwhelming vote to remain? ? ?
December GE then it seems ......
UK heading for general election after Labour backs December vote
Jeremy Corbyn told his shadow cabinet that the party's condition of taking a no-deal Brexit 'off the table' has been met.metro.co.uk
In "normal" times I would say the same, I'm in West Berks and that has been Tory for years although I think liberals did win here decades ago. However we are not in "normal" times, in the Euro elections the seat voted brexit, the MP is Benyon and he felt the tip of Bojo's boot when he voted against him. IF Benyon stood against the Tory and the brexit party also field a candidate the tory vote may split 3 ways letting the liberal in. Maybe not as boring as usual.Dunno, Sarge. I'm in Leicestershire. Staunch Tory and Leave area around me, so my vote won't count for much anyway!
I prefer to call him a short arsed t**t.If it's OK to call Bercow Poison Dwarf, can we also refer to Mark Francois as Nazi Penfold?
Snap. Same applies to me! No point in me turning out really. I will because I think people should vote.I can empathise with much of the above regarding voting intentions but in the 40 odd years that I have been able to present myself at the ballot box, I have voted for just about every (reasonable) party that has put itself forward, yet I have never been represented by anyone other than a Conservative MP.
And I cannot see that changing at the next election or any election in my lifetime - welcome to the electoral ward of Henley.
The problem with Chuka is can anyone really trust him? He's flip flopped around parliamentary parties and one Remainer I know thinks he's a horrid person whose only care in the world is Chuka. I can't speak for those constituents, but he will require a hell of a shine to remove the stank around him even as an arch remainer.As people are rightly saying - these are strange times.
I think we'll see a number of constituencies change hands in directions that have never previously been imagined at this election.
My vote is in the Westminster constituency, and traditionally it's been an easy 10,000+ Tory majority. In fact, since it was founded in 1950, the constituency has never elected anyone other than a Tory.
But it is prime Remain territory, the incumbent MP has just announced he's standing down because he can't stomach BoJo's stance on the EU and the Lib Dems are throwing Chuka Umunna at the seat. I think it could flip, like a lot of other seats in London and the South East.
But, there's also going to be long-standing Labour constituencies in Leave areas that are equally going to flip the other way - depending on what Nige does, of course.
Gonna be an unusual looking electorial map, that's for sure.
The problem with Chuka is can anyone really trust him? He's flip flopped around parliamentary parties and one Remainer I know thinks he's a horrid person whose only care in the world is Chuka. I can't speak for those constituents, but he will require a hell of a shine to remove the stank around him even as an arch remainer.