Current Player #16 Tyler Burey

dickwalton1964 said:
Could do with some sort of clarity from the manager though. Some sort of explanation why Burey can’t force his way into the squad, never mind the team that has been largely rubbish for the past 3 months he’s been here.
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Really? Why?

I'm all for transparency on general issues that affect the club and wider fan engagement, and hopefully Oxvox's optimism that the comms from the club will improve will be seen, but as a fanbase we don't need to know the ins and outs of everything happening with the playing squad.

If he's not in the team there's a reason for it and if that coming out will be detrimental to the wider group cohesiveness or Burey's opportunity to make it as a professional footballer then I couldn't care. We weren't crying out for more details when Appleton sent Crowley back to Arsenal.
 
He’s this season’s Tyler Smith, just forget it and move on IMO, you’re never going to get an official answer on what didn’t work out with a loan player. If it’s something wrong with Des’s management he’s hardly going to cop to it and if the player isn’t up to the job it would be unfair and/or unprofessional to hang them out in public.

“He’s obviously great but Des doesn’t like his face and so won’t ever play him.”

“He’s potentially good but he’s got attitude or mental problems that stop him realising that. We’re hoping he’ll get his head straight but it’s not happening at the moment.”

“He’s potentially good, but his attitude stinks, he doesn’t put any effort in training and we can’t wait to ship him back, but we don’t want to get into an argument with his employers.”

Believe what you want.
 
SteMerritt said:
Isn't this simply a case of a player not being in the team suddenly having his stock rise because of the current results? It is just too easy for people to point to Burey and call him the saviour of our season at the moment.

And I'd say that not causing massive disruption with the rest of the squad is as important as what you bring to the pitch, unless you are an absolute mile above the rest of the league in ability, which I don't think is the case here.
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I personally thought he looked good even at the time. As I say, he clearly had much needed pace and was more than willing to take players on and get the ball in the box - something we're often missing.

Also, where is this idea coming from that he's causing 'massive disruption' in the squad?
 
dickwalton1964 said:
Could do with some sort of clarity from the manager though. Some sort of explanation why Burey can’t force his way into the squad, never mind the team that has been largely rubbish for the past 3 months he’s been here.
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But if its a private life issue you don't want to know about it? That's what you say about about Robinson.
 
MustardYellow said:
I personally thought he looked good even at the time. As I say, he clearly had much needed pace and was more than willing to take players on and get the ball in the box - something we're often missing.

Also, where is this idea coming from that he's causing 'massive disruption' in the squad?
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From people on this forum who have been proven to know what's going on, although I don't think anyone said 'massive disruption'.
 
holdsteady said:
But if its a private life issue you don't want to know about it? That's what you say about about Robinson.
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If Robinson hadn’t been in the dug out for games then, yes, I’d have wanted to know what’s the problem. If I’d been told he had personal issues going on, then fine, I don’t need to know the ins and outs. Burey is clearly a talent and we’ve looked pretty useless during his time here hence why I think it would be good to get some clarity as to why he’s not making the squad. Henry in the squad instead of him makes no sense - one has to pace to burn, the other none at all. Burey is an outlet that we don’t have too many like. If we are told Burey has personal issues going on, fine, but when you look at how toothless we’ve been you have to wonder. I think the last game he played in was the one where he tracked back about 50 yards and made a brilliant saving tackle towards our own box, that one moment alone doesn’t suggest to me there’s a lack of willingness or effort on his part.
 
m said:
I'd say he was this season's Sonny Perkins.
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Tyler Smith, Max Woltmann, Sonny Perkins, Tyler Burey, Matete.

There are far too many of these types of signings that we have made in very recent times, where the player disappears after a short time at the club, never to be properly seen or heard from again. It’s not good for the club, our reputation, or for the players themselves.

Whilst we make some good signings, there are too many instances of these mistakes occurring time and time again, that are proving very costly, both financially and also denying us players in the squad who can actually contribute.
 
Chippy said:
Tyler Smith, Max Woltmann, Sonny Perkins, Tyler Burey, Matete.

There are far too many of these types of signings that we have made in very recent times, where the player disappears after a short time at the club, never to be properly seen or heard from again. It’s not good for the club, our reputation, or for the players themselves.

Whilst we make some good signings, there are too many instances of these mistakes occurring time and time again, that are proving very costly, both financially and also denying us players in the squad who can actually contribute.
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Tyler Smith (and Konate) was a panic signing from Robinson after he spent all window mucking about trying to get 'big names' that realistically were never going to come to us at that point in time. Manning quickly decided Smith wasn't his type of player, hence him only featuring for 11minutes despite being picked 7 times in the 10 games at the backend of last season. Nothing particularly unusual in that with a new manager coming in and not fancying someone to have an impact on what they're trying to do.

Max Woltman was always a development style signing and was never expected to have (m)any first team minutes this season apart from some appearances in the cups.
He will have suffered from there being no development style team to play friendlies though and also had an injury for a period of time that prevented him going out on loan.

Perkins was definitely a failed loan - two managers didn't use him and the whole situation was quite odd.

Burey is turning into a failed loan with various noises around why that is.

Matete is injured.
 
Chippy said:
Tyler Smith, Max Woltmann, Sonny Perkins, Tyler Burey, Matete.

There are far too many of these types of signings that we have made in very recent times, where the player disappears after a short time at the club, never to be properly seen or heard from again. It’s not good for the club, our reputation, or for the players themselves.

Whilst we make some good signings, there are too many instances of these mistakes occurring time and time again, that are proving very costly, both financially and also denying us players in the squad who can actually contribute.
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Genuine question, do you have any insight on other clubs that have a better hit rate than this? That's five people you've named over two seasons, including one I'd say it's a bit early to write off (Matete) and one that I'm not sure was signed with the intention of making a first-team impact straight away (Woltmann). Given how many signings we've made over that time, it doesn't feel too wasteful to me.

We haven't filled up the squad, so the only thing to lose is money, and those five together surely don't account for much of our spending in the past couple of years. I'm much more concerned about big-ticket wage packets being handed out to signings with unreliable fitness levels than about loanees that didn't work out.
 
Chippy said:
Tyler Smith, Max Woltmann, Sonny Perkins, Tyler Burey, Matete.

There are far too many of these types of signings that we have made in very recent times, where the player disappears after a short time at the club, never to be properly seen or heard from again. It’s not good for the club, our reputation, or for the players themselves.

Whilst we make some good signings, there are too many instances of these mistakes occurring time and time again, that are proving very costly, both financially and also denying us players in the squad who can actually contribute.
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Link: how unusual are we?

Would be fascinating to see a full analysis.

Interesting that the signings you mention above span our last three managers.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
If Robinson hadn’t been in the dug out for games then, yes, I’d have wanted to know what’s the problem. If I’d been told he had personal issues going on, then fine, I don’t need to know the ins and outs. Burey is clearly a talent and we’ve looked pretty useless during his time here hence why I think it would be good to get some clarity as to why he’s not making the squad. Henry in the squad instead of him makes no sense - one has to pace to burn, the other none at all. Burey is an outlet that we don’t have too many like. If we are told Burey has personal issues going on, fine, but when you look at how toothless we’ve been you have to wonder. I think the last game he played in was the one where he tracked back about 50 yards and made a brilliant saving tackle towards our own box, that one moment alone doesn’t suggest to me there’s a lack of willingness or effort on his part.
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Thought Henry was excellent when he came on v Port Vale and on another day would have picked up 2 assists in his 17 minutes on the pitch.
Offered far more in a creative way than Bodin or Ruben had done.

Lovely run into space and cross for Murphy who had an unnecessary first touch and got closed down by the keeper.
Lofted through ball for Brannagan who lashed wide.

Henry is still a very intelligent footballer and with pace offered from other options on the pitch, doesn't need to be flying down the wing to create. He's an excellent option to play behind a front 3.
On Saturday, he had a front 3 of Murphy then Browne, Harris and Dale playing ahead of him and with Goodrham also available, Henry's passing ability will create chances for those players.

On the selection of Burey himself (ahead of anyone, not just Henry), with Browne now back, plus Dale, Goodrham and Murphy. It's unlikely you're going to see 5 wingers in a squad so unless one of the four mentioned is unavailable, I don't see how he gets back in regardless of any off-pitch circumstances.
 
MustardYellow said:
I personally thought he looked good even at the time. As I say, he clearly had much needed pace and was more than willing to take players on and get the ball in the box - something we're often missing.

Also, where is this idea coming from that he's causing 'massive disruption' in the squad?
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Just for clarification, I'm not saying TB is causing a massive disruption, I don't know what is happening behind the scenes. It was a response to the suggestion that what you do on the pitch is the most important thing. It is important, but then so is fitting into the team without causing a lot of issues.
 
MustardYellow said:
I personally thought he looked good even at the time. As I say, he clearly had much needed pace and was more than willing to take players on and get the ball in the box - something we're often missing.

Also, where is this idea coming from that he's causing 'massive disruption' in the squad?
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There's no great mystery. He's a talented player who seems to have had 'attitude' issues at every club he's been with, from AFCW onwards. Chances are he'll be in non league in a couple of years unless he works out why an ever growing list of managers and coaches think he's not worth the effort.
 
Eric Blair said:
But this is fine, isnt it. We sign him on loan. If it doesnt work out he goes back at the end of the season. It was worth a risk but sometimes these things dont work out.
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So you wouldn’t be looking to sign him on a permanent?
 
m said:
Obviously the target is a 100% success rate with every signing, of every nature.

The fact that no club has ever achieved this should tell its own story.
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So should we not discuss each signing individually?

We discuss each match individually - without resorting to a flippant 'you win some, you lose some', don't we?

That reduces it to pot luck, which it isn't.

This was a very Robinson-esque signing that, had it been made under KR, would have (rightly) been admonished by all and sundry.

Hope we steer clear of any unnecessary 'risks' going forward.
 
RgYellows said:
So you wouldn’t be looking to sign him on a permanent?
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Based on the way things are at the moment, no. I suspect (although have no evidence) that there is something up in training. If not, and depending on his attitude and aptitude in training, I would consider signing as a squad player but he would be behind Murphy (who I would try and keep - sorry), Dale and a fit again Edwards and even Tyler G in that position. Browne is the one I would choose to let go.
 
SirAndyOfCrosby said:
So should we not discuss each signing individually?

We discuss each match individually - without resorting to a flippant 'you win some, you lose some', don't we?

That reduces it to pot luck, which it isn't.

This was a very Robinson-esque signing that, had it been made under KR, would have (rightly) been admonished by all and sundry.

Hope we steer clear of any unnecessary 'risks' going forward.
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I guess the point is that you can afford to take a risk or two where loans are concerned.

And I absolutely agree that KR would have been admonished for it!
 
Osei Yaw said:
From people on this forum who have been proven to know what's going on, although I don't think anyone said 'massive disruption'.
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So rumours, basically?

And this is the bit I was referring to 'And I'd say that not causing massive disruption with the rest of the squad is as important as what you bring to the pitch'
 
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