Away Match Day Thread 08/02/2022 L1: Accrington Stanley v OUFC

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With the EFL squad limit of 22, two to a position with additional depth provided by under 21's, that are exempt from said rule, seems like a rational way to divide this.

Lets compare that to the actual squad:
LB - Seddon / ?
CB - Brown/ Moore / McNally / Mous
RB - Long / Forde

Instantly it's clear we are lacking specialist LB cover.
Counter argument #1, Long can play left back.
This currently weakens our RB position as well, whilst also weakening LB by playing a player out of position, on his weak foot.
Counter argument #2, a CB can cover LB.
Due to the way that KR uses his full back to overload the opposition's midfield / defence, this limits how we attack down our left hand side, meaning oppositions know we will be attacking mainly down our right instead and adjust accordingly.

Our CB'S;
  • A very talented, promising but green\raw player in McNally.
  • A 35 year old player who recently had knee surgery, that despite being our only fit CB didn't get brought on with 35 minutes to go, in Mous.
    (It will say more than I, this forum, or even KR ever could about how the club really see Mous this weekend should Brown not be fit.)
  • A loanee, that his own fan's questioned & has so far not done any thing to disprove these rumors, looking shaky in both games.
    (though no decision can be made yet as he may not be fully match sharp / fit, so judgement MUST wait)
  • A championship calibre defender, that will ultimately end up there.
So of our four CB's, we have two clear first choice, one currently unknown quantity that has had an indifferent start and a player that has had 5 appearances in the league totalling 43 minutes in the season by Feb.

At RB, over a season as back up ford will make mistakes that lead to goals, which in turn will cost points. For the odd game as cover he is fine, a third choice emergency player. To go into a season without specialist full back cover on either side is negligence.

Your notion that this situation is just down to bad luck is wilfully ignorant or naïve at best.
This situation was created by KR building an imbalanced squad in the summer, and compounded by lack of defensive signings in January.

If you think there is no creed in anything I have said just look at the numerical data, despite having four places in defence we only have 7 players (Seddon, Moore, Long, McNally, Forde, Brown, Mousinho), in contrast to the three attacking position we have 9 players (Taylor, Sykes, Henry, Whyte, Holland, Williams, Bodin, Winnall, Baldock).

We can not expect to have to score 2+ goals in every game to win them.
(I wont even get into having only one CDM at the club, as this post is long enough already).


I would assume not everyone lives on this forum, unlike some.

When we win they go happily on with their lives, and when we lose they like to be analytical; discussing & debating what went wrong, as a form of cathartic release.
I would also assume the reverse to be true for people as well.
Nothing wrong with this.
Exactly right. To expand on your last point, there are some posters of course who are negative but also there are some whoa re overly positive. Saying "here come the moaners" every time we lose and insisting everything is great at all times helps absolutely no one.
 
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With the EFL squad limit of 22, two to a position with additional depth provided by under 21's, that are exempt from said rule, seems like a rational way to divide this.

Lets compare that to the actual squad:
LB - Seddon / ?
CB - Brown/ Moore / McNally / Mous
RB - Long / Forde

Instantly it's clear we are lacking specialist LB cover.
Counter argument #1, Long can play left back.
This currently weakens our RB position as well, whilst also weakening LB by playing a player out of position, on his weak foot.
Counter argument #2, a CB can cover LB.
Due to the way that KR uses his full back to overload the opposition's midfield / defence, this limits how we attack down our left hand side, meaning oppositions know we will be attacking mainly down our right instead and adjust accordingly.

Our CB'S;
  • A very talented, promising but green\raw player in McNally.
  • A 35 year old player who recently had knee surgery, that despite being our only fit CB didn't get brought on with 35 minutes to go, in Mous.
    (It will say more than I, this forum, or even KR ever could about how the club really see Mous this weekend should Brown not be fit.)
  • A loanee, that his own fan's questioned & has so far not done any thing to disprove these rumors, looking shaky in both games.
    (though no decision can be made yet as he may not be fully match sharp / fit, so judgement MUST wait)
  • A championship calibre defender, that will ultimately end up there.
So of our four CB's, we have two clear first choice, one currently unknown quantity that has had an indifferent start and a player that has had 5 appearances in the league totalling 43 minutes in the season by Feb.

At RB, over a season as back up ford will make mistakes that lead to goals, which in turn will cost points. For the odd game as cover he is fine, a third choice emergency player. To go into a season without specialist full back cover on either side is negligence.

Your notion that this situation is just down to bad luck is wilfully ignorant or naïve at best.
This situation was created by KR building an imbalanced squad in the summer, and compounded by lack of defensive signings in January.

If you think there is no creed in anything I have said just look at the numerical data, despite having four places in defence we only have 7 players (Seddon, Moore, Long, McNally, Forde, Brown, Mousinho), in contrast to the three attacking position we have 9 players (Taylor, Sykes, Henry, Whyte, Holland, Williams, Bodin, Winnall, Baldock).

We can not expect to have to score 2+ goals in every game to win them.
(I wont even get into having only one CDM at the club, as this post is long enough already).


I would assume not everyone lives on this forum, unlike some.

When we win they go happily on with their lives, and when we lose they like to be analytical; discussing & debating what went wrong, as a form of cathartic release.
I would also assume the reverse to be true for people as well.
Nothing wrong with this.
Again another very good post.
IMO we haven't had a balanced squad since KR came in.
Brown was Hobsons choice in the end as we moved too late for our preferred targets. This happened last season and we ended up with Grayson. Let's hope Brown does turn out to be a better player!!
 
I think we miss Jamie Hanson badly. He has the skill to unlock defences like Accrington’s, his pace, and acceleration would of run them ragged. I also think he would of scored from the little opportunities we had. His distribution and set pieces always find a team mate, and I think the sooner he’s back the better.
I am not sure about your view of Hanson. Apart from a couple of games most of the comments regarding Hanson have been unflattering. I was at the home Bristol rovers cup game and he cost us.
 
Exactly right. To expand on your last point, there are some posters of cpurse whonare negative but also there are some whonare overly positive. Saying "here come the moaners" every time we lose and insisting everything is great at all times helps absolutely no one.
Not sure anyone thinks things are always great nor analysing when things don't work out is an issue.. The problem as i see it is that it gets tiresome when it's evident some posters dislike the manager or certain players who then jump onto a thread after a defeat seemingly eager to offer more criticism but rarely praise after a win.

Perhaps opinions would be respected more if there was evidence of some balance throughout the season.

As an individual perhaps being reliant solely on Ifollow means i watch in a completely relaxed mode and find it easier to try and offer some balance these days.
 
Not sure anyone thinks things are always great nor analysing when things don't work out is an issue.. The problem as i see it is that it gets tiresome when it's evident some posters dislike the manager or certain players who then jump onto a thread after a defeat seemingly eager to offer more criticism but rarely praise after a win.

Perhaps opinions would be respected more if there was evidence of some balance throughout the season.

As an individual perhaps being reliant solely on Ifollow means i watch in a completely relaxed mode and find it easier to try and offer some balance these days.
Of course, being too entrenched either way isn't helpful. It seems to be a societal thing now where changing your opinion is frowned on and then it becomes a them vs us sort of thing with almost any issue you can think of.

Without going round the houses there are certainly people who criticise as soon as anything that could be deemed negative is posted, often in a condescending manner. There are people who only pop up when it's going badly but usually it's easy enough to ignore, the forum is a place to vent and it's easy enough to see when this is happening.

For what it's worth I still think we'll make the playoffs. No chance at all of the autos and I worry about us when we come up against someone physical and actually good at football as well in the playoffs. It's been a pattern since KR has been here, he's done a decent job but the constant refusal to address the defence or our inability to cope with physical teams is incredibly frustrating. I think we were lucky in previous seasons to not have many issues with injuries defensively, that seems to have run out this season.
 
I think when building your 22 outfield player squad (They don’t include GKs) you should be able to select 2 outfield sides. Just like we can in goal with Stevens/Eastwood.

Currently I see it like this.

Long Moore McNally Seddon
Henry Kane Brannagan
Sykes Taylor Browne

____ ____ ____ ____
Bodin Gorrin McGuane
Whyte Baldock Holland

We don’t have any specialist back up for our starting back 4. The only cover you could claim is Brown who’s just come on loan but he’s now out for a while supposedly. Even the fact Gorrin is out for the season wasn’t addressed in Jan.

Instead of the the specialist 4 players (RB, CB, CB, LB) we have filled the spots with Winnall, Forde, Williams, Hanson, Mousinho, *Brown*.
 
I think when building your 22 outfield player squad (They don’t include GKs) you should be able to select 2 outfield sides. Just like we can in goal with Stevens/Eastwood.

Currently I see it like this.

Long Moore McNally Seddon
Henry Kane Brannagan
Sykes Taylor Browne

____ ____ ____ ____
Bodin Gorrin McGuane
Whyte Baldock Holland

We don’t have any specialist back up for our starting back 4. The only cover you could claim is Brown who’s just come on loan but he’s now out for a while supposedly. Even the fact Gorrin is out for the season wasn’t addressed in Jan.

Instead of the the specialist 4 players (RB, CB, CB, LB) we have filled the spots with Winnall, Forde, Williams, Hanson, Mousinho, *Brown*.

Except that we don`t play with a standard RB/LB so bringing one in would be a pointless luxury.

Brown was/is supposed to be cover for Seddon at LWB.
 
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So what is the prognosis on Brown? I only heard KR say could be a ‘while’

I thought he was decent against Pompey, but then he was poor last night (along with many).
 
With the EFL squad limit of 22, two to a position with additional depth provided by under 21's, that are exempt from said rule, seems like a rational way to divide this.

Lets compare that to the actual squad:
LB - Seddon / ?
CB - Brown/ Moore / McNally / Mous
RB - Long / Forde

Instantly it's clear we are lacking specialist LB cover.
Counter argument #1, Long can play left back.
This currently weakens our RB position as well, whilst also weakening LB by playing a player out of position, on his weak foot.
Counter argument #2, a CB can cover LB.
Due to the way that KR uses his full back to overload the opposition's midfield / defence, this limits how we attack down our left hand side, meaning oppositions know we will be attacking mainly down our right instead and adjust accordingly.

Our CB'S;
  • A very talented, promising but green\raw player in McNally.
  • A 35 year old player who recently had knee surgery, that despite being our only fit CB didn't get brought on with 35 minutes to go, in Mous.
    (It will say more than I, this forum, or even KR ever could about how the club really see Mous this weekend should Brown not be fit.)
  • A loanee, that his own fan's questioned & has so far not done any thing to disprove these rumors, looking shaky in both games.
    (though no decision can be made yet as he may not be fully match sharp / fit, so judgement MUST wait)
  • A championship calibre defender, that will ultimately end up there.
So of our four CB's, we have two clear first choice, one currently unknown quantity that has had an indifferent start and a player that has had 5 appearances in the league totalling 43 minutes in the season by Feb.

At RB, over a season as back up ford will make mistakes that lead to goals, which in turn will cost points. For the odd game as cover he is fine, a third choice emergency player. To go into a season without specialist full back cover on either side is negligence.

Your notion that this situation is just down to bad luck is wilfully ignorant or naïve at best.
This situation was created by KR building an imbalanced squad in the summer, and compounded by lack of defensive signings in January.

If you think there is no creed in anything I have said just look at the numerical data, despite having four places in defence we only have 7 players (Seddon, Moore, Long, McNally, Forde, Brown, Mousinho), in contrast to the three attacking position we have 9 players (Taylor, Sykes, Henry, Whyte, Holland, Williams, Bodin, Winnall, Baldock).

We can not expect to have to score 2+ goals in every game to win them.
(I wont even get into having only one CDM at the club, as this post is long enough already).


I would assume not everyone lives on this forum, unlike some.

When we win they go happily on with their lives, and when we lose they like to be analytical; discussing & debating what went wrong, as a form of cathartic release.
I would also assume the reverse to be true for people as well.
Nothing wrong with this.

22 outfield players. So we could have two players for each defensive position and still have six wingers!
 
On February 1st, I said on here that I was disappointed by the transfer window and KR would have to get lucky with defensive injuries/suspensions/Covid cases for the remainder of the season (as, for the most part, he has been for the past two years).

Fast forward ten days, and it looks like his (and our) luck has already run out. Long & Brown injured, McNally absent.
Unless one or more of them can play at the weekend, then I've genuinely no idea what our back four is going to look like.

Three injuries/absences shouldn't qualify as a crisis (if we had three wingers or attacking midfielders out injured, we would have no problems whatsoever). That's not especially bad luck, that's normal lower league football wear-and-tear. But the way KR has constructed the squad, it is suddenly a crisis for us.

Maybe McNally and/or Long will be able to play on Saturday, or maybe we'll be able to brazen it out with a makeshift back four just through the quality of our attacking play. But if we can't field a proper defense and it starts to cost us points, then KR better not start pointing fingers anywhere but at the mirror. Because many of us have been (virtually) screaming at him to bring in more defensive cover for literally years.
 
We're not quite doing that well - we've got 53 points from 30 games which is an average of 1.76 points a game.
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However, match our current PPG for the rest of the season we'll be sat very happily on 81 points at the end of the season which would put us comfortably into the playoffs, and in three of the last 10 seasons would have us as high as 3rd, although you have to go back to 05/06 for the last time it was enough for autos and it certainly won't be enough this year with Wigan and Rotherham both fairly comfortably over 2 ppg thus far.
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A win tonight will be a big step towards that!

Unfortunately, as we didn't win last night, the carrying on with current PPG reasoning is not looking so rosy.

If we continued on our current PPG, then it's only reasonable to assume all other teams also will.

Unfortunately, that would put us in 8th position, as MK, Wycombe, Sunderland, Wednesday and Plymouth are all currenty doing better.
 

As convincing an argument for bringing in a LB as ive heard all day tbf.

Seriously, you are building a team in your head with the parameters you want
and are not taking into account KR`s style of play or how he sets up his team.
 
As convincing an argument for bringing in a LB as ive heard all day tbf.

Seriously, you are building a team in your head with the parameters you want
and are not taking into account KR`s style of play or how he sets up his team.

You can carry 6 wingers in a balanced 22 man squad.. you can also carry 2 left backs.
 
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