Away Match Day Thread 27-10-2020 L1 Charlton Athletic v OUFC

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I really hope that Mous can come in and steady things but it's a big if.
The thing that concerns me about Mousinho is the complete change in mentality that is likely occurring with him. Last season he was still primarily a player with half an eye on the coaching side going forward. Bar the odd game where he wasn’t on the pitch, when he would have the odd chat with the management as the game went on and kind of observe that side of things, he was fully focused on the pitch. He was still a player. That has completely changed now, though. He got injured in late February and basically hasn’t played a game since - he is 34 and that is a BIG deal as a result. There is every chance his legs have gone in the last 8/9 months, especially given he hasn’t been playing to keep them from rusting. From what we can see he’s now 75% coach and 25% player. He was named as a sub tonight after McGuane was ruled out, but that didn’t mean anything. He spent the entire game without any proper kit on, didn’t warm up and was actually the one handing in the paperwork to the fourth official for the double sub just after the hour. I don’t think this whole “Mousinho will be back soon” mentality is as realistic or straight forward as a few people think. Mentally there are no guarantees that the guy is still a footballer in his own head, let alone below the waist. He’s a smart and professional guy and you’ll get no lack of effort if he’s asked to play a few games, but desire and willingness doesn’t make the legs move any faster. Mackie will tell you that. The last thing we want is another situation like that, but as the last line of defence rather than someone stood around the halfway line kicking centre backs. We really have no idea if Mousinho can even play anymore.
 
Truly dismal.
Even when we played well in the first 25 minutes we didn't test their keeper, and we never looked capable of capitalising on them going down to 10 men.
Clare and Kelly totally out of their depth. Eastwood needs benching.
Not a word out of place - spot on.
 
Tbh. It’s not KR fault that we sell our best players , but the whole team can’t defend and Eastwood , is a shadow of himself.
 
Does home or away matches make much difference nowadays without crowds?

I think the preparation may have a bit of an impact, but not using that as an excuse. Travelling in their own cars, changing in side rooms etc may make it harder for players to switch on. That said, our performances gave generally been pretty good away bit with mistakes either end of the pitch. Not sure that even I could blame that on where the players get dressed!
 
Changing the subject from our dire display, does anyone else find the red card for Inniss kind of suspicious?
Definitely deserved it, but both fouls seemed clumsily deliberate and were committed in a situation where Charlton were cruising to an easy three points. There had been no wind ups or aggro. It's not unknown for players to be involved in a crafty bet involving cards...?
The award for libellous post of the evening goes to.......
 
The problem with Robinson is and it has happened a lot in his time with us, is this year it was holding out for Marcus Browne more or less at the 11th hour it turned out it wasn’t happening so we get Shodipo and although he scored a cracking goal against MK he doesn’t appear to be a patch on Browne, he seems like a decent fella but would have preferred Holland. KR has done this quite often saying what he wants but 90% of the time he doesn’t get and we struggle with last season being the exception.
 
I do think in the most straight up way possible that we don’t create as many decent chances as some people make out. We have passages of lovely football, knocking it around the midfield and into the channels beyond the line etc, but the final ball is usually poor and either goes for a goal kick or straight to the goalkeeper. It’s easy on the eye and the opposition struggle to gain a foothold, but we don’t punish. Taylor is completely isolated 95% of the time and is often running the forward line alone, tussling with centre backs six inches taller than him and with nothing to feed off and nobody close to him. His goals come from when we get people into the box with him and put the ball in and around the six yard box, where it hurts. Even one more player being in there with him takes a marker away and lets him work half a yard of space to operate. The two wide men are going to have to be encouraged to get higher and narrower to make it an actual three in attack. As it stands we just look like we’re playing a 4-1-4-1 or some sort of crafty 4-2-3-1 in disguise. We don’t have a Marcus Browne or a Tariqe Fosu to beat three players and smash one in from 20 yards, or even a Shandon Baptiste to swivel his hips and break through the midfield to drive us on, so we’re going to need to find a way to be effective. No hysteria in any of that - just calm, perfectly reasonable observations.

It is what it is. We can only wait and see if and when it starts to click. Hopefully it does and we can at least start to move up the table a bit, and not get sucked into a season-long battle with the drop. It’s too early to tell what’s what yet, but in another 3/4 games (once we go past 10 or 11 played) it will become clear what the aims should be. Very intriguing next fortnight coming up.
That sounds like the early Appleton days. Some on here purred about our play but we did f**k all with it. The difference back then was that MApp stuck with Plan A but realised that Newey, Hunt, Brown, Howard etc were not going to be part of it and accelerated the plan to bring the right players in. We don’t have that luxury this time around so we’re going to have to muddle through. The one remaining squad space should not be wasted on a winger.

As much as I moaned about the defence during the game, ensuring we have our best right back in Long playing right back and one of Atkinson or Mous in the defence, we will look a whole lot better. Throw in another body who can cover full back for a game or two but centre back as their main role and we’ll look a lot rosier.
 
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Tend to agree but so far this season he hasn’t been anywhere near the form we know he can play. We don’t seem to have another option for a striker, Agyei is good on the ball but plays out wide Winnall unfortunately is injured to much as to whether we see Winnall at his best this season.
3 goals in 7 games for Taylor in a poor side is not a bad return. That’s 20 goal a season form Bazzer which some people on here ask for regularly ?
 
3 goals in 7 games for Taylor in a poor side is not a bad return. That’s 20 goal a season form Bazzer which some people on here ask for regularly ?
Unless he gets more support he won’t get many more, he was so isolated tonight and that will happen in more games this season. Playing Taylor on his own up front the defence will be more than aware wilhichnwill make it harder for him, he needs another attacker with him to act as a foil for him and visa versa for the other attacker. Playing him as the sole attacker isn’t working, and the 3 goals were in two games out of 7 so that’s 5 games without a goal. I like Taylor and glad he’s ours but Robinson is going to have to work on something for Taylor to try and meet his 20 goals
 
Stevens, Mousinho, Atkinson, Cooper & Winnall should all come in Saturday.

Stevens, Long Mousinho Atkinson Ruffels, Henry Gorrin Sykes, Shodipo Winnall Cooper
 
Stevens, Mousinho, Atkinson, Cooper & Winnall should all come in Saturday.

Stevens, Long Mousinho Atkinson Ruffels, Henry Gorrin Sykes, Shodipo Winnall Cooper
Winnall is out injured and is Atkinson fit again?
 
The problem with Robinson is and it has happened a lot in his time with us, is this year it was holding out for Marcus Browne more or less at the 11th hour it turned out it wasn’t happening so we get Shodipo and although he scored a cracking goal against MK he doesn’t appear to be a patch on Browne, he seems like a decent fella but would have preferred Holland. KR has done this quite often saying what he wants but 90% of the time he doesn’t get and we struggle with last season being the exception.
if browne was the answer i dread to think what the question was.

even if what you imply is correct if robbo didn't set his stall out for his man people would still complain and say why didn't he try and get him.

i know some posters find it difficult to understand that we only lost a game of football but let's be blunt Browne was hardly a team player.

As for the constant should have replaced Dickie. how and with whom? You either want the money to help stay afloat or you don't.

it's all well and good plucking names out of thin air and suggesting they would be the answer but if the club signed any old tom dick or harry they would be criticised that way.

Rob Atkinson is the Next Dickie and even better too and i'll go as far as to say will exceed the achievements of a certain Matt Elliott yet people don't want him playing because he's raw. If only we'd known 3 of our defenders would all be out at the same time along with Gorrin but then hindsight is such a wonderful thing.
 
The problem with these poor starts under KR is that each time they become harder and harder to turn around. Last season following defeat at Fleetwood on 7th September we only lost 1 of our next 15 league games, winning 10. We cannot keep relying on an exceptional run of form to bail us out of the mess we get ourselves into, because at some stage they're going to stop coming. Add to that the chance that Covid could potentially curtail the season again, if we don't start turning things round and sharpish then we will be in a very bleak position PPG wise.

For what it's worth I do believe there are 4 worse teams than us: Burton, MK, Swindon, Northampton, maybe Shrews. But the sooner that is reflected by the league table I will feel a whole lot happier.
 
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