EPL VAR

[Essexyellows]

I`m starting to think that VAR is actually making it harder for ref`s.
Where they would have made a subjective decision eg: Foot up, studs in its a red they now they go and look at some slow motion angle on a monitor and don`t give it.
Brown on Foden he`s going in with both feet off the ground and one boot taking his leg, its a red.
At least Romero appeared to have one foot on the ground and the player he tackled was in the aftermath/getting up from a previous tackle. Easy yellow, possible red.

Football eh?

 

[stokeu]

The disallowed goal at Old Trafford was ridiculous.

 

[OUFCGav]

The disallowed goal at Old Trafford was ridiculous.

that is the state of the handball rule rather than VAR though.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

that is the state of the handball rule rather than VAR though.

The stupid rule could never be enforced WITHOUT VAR though

 

[stokeu]

The stupid rule could never be enforced WITHOUT VAR though

This. Both are ridiculous.

 

[OUFCGav]

The stupid rule could never be enforced WITHOUT VAR though

it has been in the EFL for at least a season.

 

[Yellowmania]

Yet another VAR cock up today.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741948146677166470

 

[Essexyellows]

And another last night in the FA Cup.

Yes, his foot was off the ground, studs up, but he gets the ball and brushes the sock of the opposing player who goes down as they do.

Surely its a yellow & a free kick ?

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Not one player appeals for a free kick and the ref is in perfect view and doesn’t give anything. Any challenge slowed down looks bad but in real time it is a controlled tackle and he only just clips the player after getting the ball!

You then have the Beto penalty situation where it is a clear penalty but that isn’t even reviewed.

 

[Essexyellows]

Not one player appeals for a free kick and the ref is in perfect view and doesn’t give anything. Any challenge slowed down looks bad but in real time it is a controlled tackle and he only just clips the player after getting the ball!

You then have the Beto penalty situation where it is a clear penalty but that isn’t even reviewed.

On the Radio they were discussing if the ref might have felt pressured to "do something" because he went to look at the VAR?

In slow motion it looks a degree worse than it actually was but, as you say, no appeal and the ref had a good view in real time.

 

[SteMerritt]

But hasn't VAR provided the only incident of interest in the entire dull game?

Perhaps this is their new remit, if a game is dull, eyeballs turning away, advertisers getting unhappy, then find a way to spice things up...

 

[dickwalton1964]

And another last night in the FA Cup.

Yes, his foot was off the ground, studs up, but he gets the ball and brushes the sock of the opposing player who goes down as they do.

Surely its a yellow & a free kick ?

Is it more luck than judgement though that he doesn't take the player out shin high, studs up ? On another day that's a leg breaker although, admittedly, there didn't look any extreme force. There is the argument that if you're foot is off the floor, studs up, you cannot possibly be in control hence the red. It does look harsh but there are one or two factors pointing towards a soft red card.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

Is it more luck than judgement though that he doesn't take the player out shin high, studs up ? On another day that's a leg breaker although, admittedly, there didn't look any extreme force. There is the argument that if you're foot is off the floor, studs up, you cannot possibly be in control hence the red. It does look harsh but there are one or two factors pointing towards a soft red card.

But he didn't break a leg did he, and at worse he broke a couple of threads on a sock. Many a time a goalkeeper comes out to catch a ball with a high foot or a pointed high knee which gets planted into the centre forwards back or worse. And this is never called a foul. Yet it is absolutely no different to what Calvert-Lewin did really. Every game is full of bad tackles that could have caused a catastrophic injury but don't and get just a yellow card , just like every game is full of nothing tackles that actually do cause bad injuries and often these do get a red card because of the visual consequence.

I think the main issue with this decision is that it is a case of it being re-reffed rather than highlighting a clear and obvious error. Putting it into context the referee was in an excellent position to directly see first hand what happened, with this perfect image he then called it as he saw it. VAR in this instance has basically decided that the on-field referee must be so incompetent that he didn't see it, when he very clearly did. But the on-field ref was then so weak he couldn't be decisive that he was right first time and he didn't need VAR to call him useless. And it is then human nature to start having self-doubt about a decision having seen multiple other images at various different angles and speeds and with someone in his ear telling him a sock has been broken so it needs a reprimand, all of which should not override the original view and decision the ref made which cannot be argued to be bad and so terrible it was an error. It's again not a problem with VAR itself but the operators of it and not really understanding how it should be used.

 

[Yellow River]

If you slowed down every tackle and analysed it via VAR, you wouldn’t have any players left on the pitch at the end of the game.

VAR is a complete pest to our national game.

Still SkY, BBC and their presenter/ pundits love it gives them something to pontificate about and try to justify their over inflated salaries.

While fans who actually pay to travel and attend matches, make the game what it is in this country are totally taken for granted, shown little respect and the last to know hat the hell is going on while our high energy exciting sport splutters to a stop start borefest.

 

[SteMerritt]

But he didn't break a leg did he, and at worse he broke a couple of threads on a sock.

You are confusing the offense with the outcome. Just because he didn't break someone's leg it doesn't change the actual offense of sliding in with studs up. If that is a red card, it is a red card no matter the outcome.


(although contradicting what I have just typed, personally I think it's a soft red card, should have been yellow)

 

[Marked Ox]

You are confusing the offense with the outcome. Just because he didn't break someone's leg it doesn't change the actual offense of sliding in with studs up. If that is a red card, it is a red card no matter the outcome.


(although contradicting what I have just typed, personally I think it's a soft red card, should have been yellow)

That seems to change from decision to decision sometimes in the same game.

Also, depends if you kick them or deliberately make a back under a jumping player (which is at most pretty much is only a free kick) which can have potentially far worse consequences for the falling player.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750939956980170955

 

[Steve Gilbert]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750939956980170955

Why replay it when it was scored at that time? Why not just chalk it off and go with the score before that goal was scored?

 

[SteMerritt]

Interesting one in the African Cup of Nations semi-final today between Nigeria and South Africa. Nigeria, 1-0 up with 5mins or so left, win the ball in their penalty area and break, end up scoring for 2-0. VAR checks the initial challenge, disallows the goal, kills the Nigeria celebrations, and awards a penalty to South Africa, which they score. This was always going to happen at some point...

Watch the incident on the BBC website...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68150450

 

[Essexyellows]

Interesting one in the African Cup of Nations semi-final today between Nigeria and South Africa. Nigeria, 1-0 up with 5mins or so left, win the ball in their penalty area and break, end up scoring for 2-0. VAR checks the initial challenge, disallows the goal, kills the Nigeria celebrations, and awards a penalty to South Africa, which they score. This was always going to happen at some point...

Watch the incident on the BBC website...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68150450

So ref & lino both decide the challenge in the box was ok, the ref was looking straight at it from all of 4 yards away, play moves on a long way then they decide to call it back.

Is there not some sort of time or number of movements after which it`s not valid to use VAR?

Yet again the reason you go to games "for the moment" is absolutely ruined.