General VAR - time to scrap it?

Should VAR be scrapped?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 78.0%
  • No

    Votes: 9 22.0%

  • Total voters
    41
You can’t start moving the goalposts because the reality doesn’t fit the fantasy. If a part of a player’s body that they can score with is offside, it’s offside, and if it takes them ages to figure that out but it’s the right call, then it’s correct. That is what people wanted. People didn’t want subjectivity, they didn’t want borderline decisions going the wrong way - they wanted cold, hard facts and the factually right outcome to prevail. If people wanted that, and the overwhelming majority said that they did, this is what they’re getting.

We had a free flowing, fast paced sport as it was and people wanted a factually accurate one instead, because an offside here or a trip there in real time going the ‘wrong’ way made everyone angry and call for something to be done. People can’t have it both ways. If they didn’t want this they shouldn’t have waged war on the officials for years while the media joined in and stoked it into a frenzy.
The clamour came from the media who know that controversy sells even if it is manufactured, and the people that bought it were the armchair fans. People who go to games don't want it.
 
So watched a rare Premier League game today - Man City/Chelsea.

In the 90th minute, Man City had a goal chalked off for offside.
Watching the replays, I think every fan would say Stirling was clearly onside. But then they put the lines on the screen, and apparently the tip of his shoulder was an inch ahead of the last defender.

It was completely absurd, and the only good thing is that it didn't affect the result.

If they're going to keep VAR, then they need to follow cricket and have an 'Umpire's Call' equivalent for tight decisions like that.
Football does not need decisions to be perfect - they (and even this is arguable) just need to eliminate the bad refereeing mistakes.
VAR is going way above and beyond what is needed.
I thought it was clearly offside personally. Think VAR has got the offside rule right imo. Couple of tight calls that have taken too long to work out but apart from that it’s been good.
It’s the other decisions which baffle me with regards VAR.
TV companies and arm chair fans are very much to blame, with very decision spoken about endlessly by MOTD, SSN and Talk sport etc we only have ourselves to blame. Maybe we can go back to the days of the referees decision is final and we move on.
 
So watched a rare Premier League game today - Man City/Chelsea.

In the 90th minute, Man City had a goal chalked off for offside.
Watching the replays, I think every fan would say Stirling was clearly onside. But then they put the lines on the screen, and apparently the tip of his shoulder was an inch ahead of the last defender.

It was completely absurd, and the only good thing is that it didn't affect the result.

If they're going to keep VAR, then they need to follow cricket and have an 'Umpire's Call' equivalent for tight decisions like that.
Football does not need decisions to be perfect - they (and even this is arguable) just need to eliminate the bad refereeing mistakes.
VAR is going way above and beyond what is needed.
The issue with decisions like that is which frame do they choose. On which of the 30 frames do they decide the ball is "played"?
 
The issue with decisions like that is which frame do they choose. On which of the 30 frames do they decide the ball is "played"?

There in lies the problem.
Is played as the foot hits the ball or as the ball leaves the foot?

Its complete ball-cocks as a system that will destroy everything we love about the game. Imagine your team score a dramatic winner in an end of season game, in the 94th minute......crowd go mental............ then 3 minutes later its ruled out because someones toe was offside.

If their body is level then give attackers the advantage.........

#novar
 
Completely agree Essex - "goal line" stuff certainly but only off-side when it is clearly so & always give the attacking side benefit of doubt.
 
Completely agree Essex - "goal line" stuff certainly but only off-side when it is clearly so & always give the attacking side benefit of doubt.

That's the current rules problem, not VAR. Offside is a farce and the whole "handball-only-when-a-goal-is-scored" is a nonsense.

The rules of the game clearly need to be reviewed if VAR is going to be implemented effectively.
 
That's the current rules problem, not VAR. Offside is a farce and the whole "handball-only-when-a-goal-is-scored" is a nonsense.

The rules of the game clearly need to be reviewed if VAR is going to be implemented effectively.

Exactly this. They made too made rule changes during the summer and then brought VAR in along side the rule changes. They should of made the rule changes and then brought VAR in next season once everyone had got used to the new rules.

The rule regarding handball in the box now favours the defending team where it always used to favour the attacking team to create more goals/drama. If an attacker handballs in the box and leads to a goal, the goal is chalked off. If the defender handballs in the box but no goal is scored. Play continues and no penalty is awarded. How is that fair?!

It is clear that officials weren't ready for VAR or had enough training on it. Overall, it has been one big mess.
 
Exactly this. They made too made rule changes during the summer and then brought VAR in along side the rule changes. They should of made the rule changes and then brought VAR in next season once everyone had got used to the new rules.

The rule regarding handball in the box now favours the defending team where it always used to favour the attacking team to create more goals/drama. If an attacker handballs in the box and leads to a goal, the goal is chalked off. If the defender handballs in the box but no goal is scored. Play continues and no penalty is awarded. How is that fair?!

It is clear that officials weren't ready for VAR or had enough training on it. Overall, it has been one big mess.

On the defender/attacker and handball that is only for accidental handballs, deliberate handballs for a forward is obviously still given but also for defenders as well. Also, the unnatural hand/arm position is a bit of a joke which can be difficult for defenders as it can still effectively be an accidental handball as their arms move naturally as they jump/slid etc but it is still given as a penalty.

One thing that if VAR continues is to ban slow motion replays for decisions on tackles/handballs as they pretty much make most things look worse. Any replay should be made using the speed it actually happened at.
 
Real v PSG ....red card ? Penalty/ yellow card .... no innocuous free kick on halfway line ...after a few mins of messing about...just crap
 
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