Sarge
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thought the U23's were still works in progress, would rather have someone of first team quality ready to step in, god forbid if ruffles were to get injured, I wouldnt want to rely on an U23 alone to cover a first team position, Id rather have someone ready to cover him who is already in and around the first teamKevin Berkoe the new U23 player is back up to Ruffs.
What an awful mentality to have. You cant have a first team player in every position. We're a league 1 team not Premiership we dont have the finances for that. I'd rather quality over quantity of transfers.thought the U23's were still works in progress, would rather have someone of first team quality ready to step in, god forbid if ruffles were to get injured, I wouldnt want to rely on an U23 alone to cover a first team position, Id rather have someone ready to cover him who is already in and around the first team
We all would, but why would some half decent full-back want to come to us and play second fiddle to Josh. Spend the money where it’s really needed. If the under 23s are good enough, give them a chance.thought the U23's were still works in progress, would rather have someone of first team quality ready to step in, god forbid if ruffles were to get injured, I wouldnt want to rely on an U23 alone to cover a first team position, Id rather have someone ready to cover him who is already in and around the first team
I think ‘awful mentality’ is a bit harsh. I can see both sides to the argument. In an ideal world it would be great to have experienced cover for all areas but, as you say, our budget won’t allow for that. On the other hand if we’re in a position where we need to win games at the end of the season for a chance of promotion/fight off relegation, is it fair to have to rely on an inexperienced 17 year old if Ruffs gets injured? I would hope that this is where the recruitment department earn their corn and they can say to KR ‘if he’s needed he’s ready’. Otherwise the scenario is unfair on everyone.What an awful mentality to have. You cant have a first team player in every position. We're a league 1 team not Premiership we dont have the finances for that. I'd rather quality over quantity of transfers.
This is where you're completely wrong. 22 senior professional footballers is not excessive nor unaffordable. We managed it just fine for many seasons under Chris Wilder in both the Conference and League Two, with far smaller budgets than we have now.What an awful mentality to have. You cant have a first team player in every position. We're a league 1 team not Premiership we dont have the finances for that. I'd rather quality over quantity of transfers.
thought the U23's were still works in progress, would rather have someone of first team quality ready to step in, god forbid if ruffles were to get injured, I wouldnt want to rely on an U23 alone to cover a first team position, Id rather have someone ready to cover him who is already in and around the first team
We seem to have a policy of going for good quality first choice players with youngsters as backup, rather than signing ‘good solid pros ‘ from Crewe or Wycombe to fill out the squad. Whether this is the right policy I don’t know, it does leave you vulnerable to injury but means we’ve got real quality in midfieldThis is where you're completely wrong. 22 senior professional footballers is not excessive nor unaffordable. We managed it just fine for many seasons under Chris Wilder in both the Conference and League Two, with far smaller budgets than we have now.
The average League One salary is around £3,000 per week. 22 players on exactly this wage is under £3.5m per year, which is around what we spent last season and FAR less than Clotet blew the season before. Or you could have 11 players on £3,500 per week, meaning they'd be above average for the division, and have another 11 on £2,000 per week which would mean they're top quality League Two players (most of whom are more than able to do a job at L1 level), and that would then equate to around £3.15m per year. That would be the smallest budget we've had since we got back into L1 three years ago. There are numerous combinations in between these examples that allow you to get to 22 senior players, of at least adequate quality, within a perfectly sensible budget. Hell, numerous teams in L1 with crowds half the size of ours, and significantly smaller budgets, have two players for each position every year. A good few in L2 can boast the same.
I don't personally care what precise makeup the squad has, so long as it's sufficient in quality with some realistic depth and an acceptable level of cover, but I'm keen to know at what point this notion of having two players for each position became an outrageous luxury. We've got more than 22 players on professional contracts this very moment as it is, and I don't think you'd find anyone who thinks we don't still need three or four more at least.
Arent you lovely.What an awful mentality to have. You cant have a first team player in every position. We're a league 1 team not Premiership we dont have the finances for that. I'd rather quality over quantity of transfers.
I think if we were relying on the youth team which is under 18's then yes but u23 the whole point is that they are there to step up . If not might as well scrap it as they will never be readyArent you lovely.
Although its a luxury to have one player per position, its nice to have a squad where there are enough players who can if needed cover every position, something I think we should strive to, I dont want to have players to cover every position twice, just that we have players that mean we enough players where if a first team player gets injured that there is another player to cover it, something we dont really have at LB (I think it is the only position where there is not one player that can cover it at the moment), I dont want to rely on an under 23, what happens if (god forbid) Ruffels were to pick up a long term injury, you'd really want to then rely on an U23 to start and risk having no cover left. I wouldnt want us to spend much money on the person, but I think it would help fill out the squad.
Not really such an awful mentality
If Ruffles were to get a long term injury early on in the season would you be happy with an U23 covering LB? It would be unlikely that at that point in time they would be ready, towards the end of the season the fine, but to go into the start of the season with no cover than long (who will be preoccupied at RB) is not something I'd do. You don't go into the start of a season where if one person gets injured you have to rely on an U23I think if we were relying on the youth team which is under 18's then yes but u23 the whole point is that they are there to step up . If not might as well scrap it as they will never be ready
Not to mention that Josh only has half a season under his belt of having the LB position locked down.If Ruffles were to get a long term injury early on in the season would you be happy with an U23 covering LB? It would be unlikely that at that point in time they would be ready, towards the end of the season the fine, but to go into the start of the season with no cover than long (who will be preoccupied at RB) is not something I'd do. You don't go into the start of a season where if one person gets injured you have to rely on an U23
If Ruffles were to get a long term injury early on in the season would you be happy with an U23 covering LB? It would be unlikely that at that point in time they would be ready, towards the end of the season the fine, but to go into the start of the season with no cover than long (who will be preoccupied at RB) is not something I'd do. You don't go into the start of a season where if one person gets injured you have to rely on an U23
If we sign a right back which seems likely then Long can cover right back and left back.If Ruffles were to get a long term injury early on in the season would you be happy with an U23 covering LB? It would be unlikely that at that point in time they would be ready, towards the end of the season the fine, but to go into the start of the season with no cover than long (who will be preoccupied at RB) is not something I'd do. You don't go into the start of a season where if one person gets injured you have to rely on an U23