FA Cup FA Cup Final 22/23

[Steve Gilbert]

I do hate it when commentators talk about the 'red half' and 'blue half' of Manchester, as if everyone in Manchester supports either Man Utd and Man City. I'm sure Wigan, Bolton, Salford, Rochdale, Stockport, Oldham fans might have something to say about that.

People of Bolton & Wigan actually try to claim they aren't part of Manchester at all, which has always confused me since both places are such dumps!

 

[SteMerritt]

It's also about abhorrent regimes owning football clubs and ploughing money into them. You surely don't think that's the solution to money in football? I don't like the old money either but this is a step worse.

It's not about regimes at all though, although that is a side effect. It would apply equally to someone from the UK bankrolling a team.

 

[SteMerritt]

Here in North Wales we have started to see a sudden influx of Wrexham fans who claim to know all about the football league

Count yourself lucky, I've just seen a bloody Oxford City replica shirt here in Bicester... So it starts...

 

[holdsteady]

People of Bolton & Wigan actually try to claim they aren't part of Manchester at all, which has always confused me since both places are such dumps!

To be fair they are not really, they are part of what is now called Greater Manchester, used to just be in Lancashire. Wigan is further from Manchester than Didcot is from Oxford.

They certainly have a stronger case than the residents of the Oxford suburb of Kidlington do.

 

[bashamwonderland]

People of Bolton & Wigan actually try to claim they aren't part of Manchester at all, which has always confused me since both places are such dumps!

Yet they're still paradise if you've visited Oldham...

 

[Essexyellows]

And the players flew back from London to Manchester and met Elton John at the airport............... like you do.

Carbon footprints eh?

 

[mariokempes]

Count yourself lucky, I've just seen a bloody Oxford City replica shirt here in Bicester... So it starts...

Your brother ?

 

[OX14]

Count yourself lucky, I've just seen a bloody Oxford City replica shirt here in Bicester... So it starts...

They will be classed as the noisy neighbours next season. You better hope they don't get promoted to league 2.

Mind the new stadium for United will halt their growth.

 

[RgYellows]

It's not about regimes at all though, although that is a side effect. It would apply equally to someone from the UK bankrolling a team.

Any discussion about Man City should start and end with regimes. “…But the football is nice” is exactly what they want.

We shall see how well FFP protects the Champions League slots for the old guard with Newc..oh wait.

 

[Jster]

It's not about regimes at all though, although that is a side effect. It would apply equally to someone from the UK bankrolling a team.

The regimes are using "sports-washing" to distract from their abhorrence. That's a bit different from any old individual.

 

[SteMerritt]

Any discussion about Man City should start and end with regimes. “…But the football is nice” is exactly what they want.

We shall see how well FFP protects the Champions League slots for the old guard with Newc..oh wait.

Perhaps you should look into how the CL money is divided up based on historical ratings rather than recent achievement before commenting.

The FFP rules take no account of "regimes", that is what I said. And they don't. They are protecting idiots like
Florentino Pérez from losing money.

 

[RgYellows]

Perhaps you should look into how the CL money is divided up based on historical ratings rather than recent achievement before commenting.

Bit patronising for someone who is conflating FFP with how CL money is divided.

Any discussion about Man City should start and end with their regimes, is what I said. If you want to talk about how Man City are fighting the good fight, go ahead. I’ll be right here to bring it back round to who owns them. We can both make our points talking straight past each other.

 

[SteMerritt]

The regimes are using "sports-washing" to distract from their abhorrence. That's a bit different from any old individual.

Yes they are, but what has that got to do with FFP? Absolutely nothing. You are building a straw man argument against me.

The government could stop this kind of investment now if they wanted, but they don't.

 

[SteMerritt]

Bit patronising for someone who is conflating FFP with how CL money is divided.

Not at all, FFP is simply a way to restrict clubs being bankrolled and taking places the established teams think are theirs.

If you want "regimes" banned from our sport, then I won't argue against that aim at all, but highlighting FFP charges against Man City isn't going to do anything to change it.

 

[RgYellows]

Not at all, FFP is simply a way to restrict clubs being bankrolled and taking places the established teams think are theirs.

If you want "regimes" banned from our sport, then I won't argue against that aim at all, but highlighting FFP charges against Man City isn't going to do anything to change it.

I think it’s clear Jster is talking about the money behind Man City more generally, and you’re pedantically focussing on the 115 point.

If you want to stick doggedly to FFP, then telling me “look into how the CL money is divided” seems awfully off-topic. I stand by my comment, and if FFP was designed to keep the old guard in the CL (and you haven’t just swallowed Man City propaganda) then Newcastle have shown how well it’s done that by buying their way into the competition with absolutely no waiting period.

 

[SteMerritt]

I think it’s clear Jster is talking about the money behind Man City more generally, and you’re pedantically focussing on the 115 point.

The original quote, in full, was...

There are 115 reasons to dislike Man City, and this entire era will end up asterisked.

That was what I commented on, so no, I'm not being 'pedantic' for only commenting on FFP breaches (potential) . He has also expressed other opinions which I have not argued with, because I agree with them. I'm not comfortable with the way top level sport is being used in this way (the Golf breakaway for example, and the heavyweight fights taking place in Saudi) but the asterisk comment is something I hear mentioned by Man Utd fans often (not suggesting Jster is one).

 

[Jster]

You said it yourself - FFP is a way to restrict clubs from being bankrolled. And this is the very worst type of bankrolling. So they've broken the rules and it's at the behest of an abhorrent regime. Can't quite see why you'd defend them to make what seems a very pedantic argument. Either you're happy with what they've done or you're not.

And I'm definitely not a Man Utd fan. Hate em too, but in a more traditional way, to go with their traditional "old" money.

 

[RgYellows]

The original quote, in full, was...



That was what I commented on, so no, I'm not being 'pedantic' for only commenting on FFP breaches (potential) . He has also expressed other opinions which I have not argued with, because I agree with them. I'm not comfortable with the way top level sport is being used in this way (the Golf breakaway for example, and the heavyweight fights taking place in Saudi) but the asterisk comment is something I hear mentioned by Man Utd fans often (not suggesting Jster is one).

You wouldn’t be pedantic if you had only commented on the first post, but Jster has posted a number of additional comments that all provide context and make his position more clear (he doesn’t like the money behind Man City) and you’re still going back to him first making this point with a reference to 115 and FFP even though - in your own words - you agree with the underlying point he’s making.

 

[SteMerritt]

You said it yourself - FFP is a way to restrict clubs from being bankrolled. And this is the very worst type of bankrolling. So they've broken the rules and it's at the behest of an abhorrent regime. Can't quite see why you'd defend them to make what seems a very pedantic argument. Either you're happy with what they've done or you're not.

And I'm definitely not a Man Utd fan. Hate em too, but in a more traditional way, to go with their traditional "old" money.

Not defending them at all, just saying that no change will happen without it happening first at governmental level with regards to investment from undesirable regimes, which won't happen as the powers that be here like the profits from trade. The FFP rules as they stand aren't tackling that issue at all, as I expect the new Chelsea owner will find out in a few years time the way he is going.

What I am saying (and not doing a very good job obviously) is the financial penalties and restrictions in place aren't fit for purpose, and have been sidelined by others for their own gain. I don't like the use of sport and our football in particular to further a political agenda.

 

[SteMerritt]

You wouldn’t be pedantic if you had only commented on the first post, but Jster has posted a number of additional comments that all provide context and make his position more clear (he doesn’t like the money behind Man City) and you’re still going back to him first making this point with a reference to 115 and FFP even though - in your own words - you agree with the underlying point he’s making.

It is possible to agree with a overall point but question aspects of it.