The mighty Aldo
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I think we should employ Severus Snape to coach us in the ways of the dark artsWhat about Westley and the 23rd minute dark art
I think we should employ Severus Snape to coach us in the ways of the dark artsWhat about Westley and the 23rd minute dark art
No - I actually hate it when we do it as well. I wish the refs/FA were stronger and punished teams for doing it. I want to watch two teams play a game of football to see who is the better at football, not to see who has the better acting and time wasting skills. It is cheating.It's the sort of thing that as a fan you hate being used against you but have no issues with when your team are doing it!
I think that's different. If you are keeping the ball in play and the other team isn't good enough to get it off you then that is IMO a valid tactic.I didn’t watch the women’s World Cup final but apparently we kept the ball in the corner for the last ten minutes.
the Pompey guy who took all the photos/tweeted is a journalist - https://www.joemichalczuk.co.uk/After the midweek Pompey game, we were accused of timewasting by an obsessed home fan who took a picture of every time one of our players was down injured.
Oxford and Portsmouth fans get into timewasting spat with 'photos to prove' - Fan Banter
Oxford and Portsmouth fans seemingly get into a timewasting spat with ‘photos to prove’ following the midweek meeting between the two. Colby Bishop netted a 78th-minute equaliser to give Portsmouth a draw at home to 10-man Oxford, who saw Billy Bodin sent off 18 minutes from time after picking...fanbanter.co.uk
Bolton away:
Robinson : "we slowed the game down when they had their best moment." “I would call it gamesmanship, some will call it other things and one set play and all of a sudden, it’s 3-1 and from then on we were okay.”
Oxford boss Robinson's 'gamesmanship' admission after securing Bolton victory
The U's beat the Whites 3-1 at the University of Bolton Stadiumwww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Bolton manager Ian Evatt : we must manage the 'dark arts' better.
Evatt outlines why Bolton must manage 'dark arts' better in future
Wanderers tasted defeat over the weekend against Oxford Unitedwww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
OPTA did some ball in play stats earlier in the season in the EPL, and the average for the full games was 54m39sWas actually 25 minutes 30 seconds.
I thought it would have been more in a free flowing half. For about the first 15 minutes the ball was only in play about 50% of the time.
I may have to watch the Portsmouth second half to compare!
After the midweek Pompey game, we were accused of timewasting by an obsessed home fan who took a picture of every time one of our players was down injured.
Oxford and Portsmouth fans get into timewasting spat with 'photos to prove' - Fan Banter
Oxford and Portsmouth fans seemingly get into a timewasting spat with ‘photos to prove’ following the midweek meeting between the two. Colby Bishop netted a 78th-minute equaliser to give Portsmouth a draw at home to 10-man Oxford, who saw Billy Bodin sent off 18 minutes from time after picking...fanbanter.co.uk
Bolton away:
Robinson : "we slowed the game down when they had their best moment." “I would call it gamesmanship, some will call it other things and one set play and all of a sudden, it’s 3-1 and from then on we were okay.”
Oxford boss Robinson's 'gamesmanship' admission after securing Bolton victory
The U's beat the Whites 3-1 at the University of Bolton Stadiumwww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Bolton manager Ian Evatt : we must manage the 'dark arts' better.
Evatt outlines why Bolton must manage 'dark arts' better in future
Wanderers tasted defeat over the weekend against Oxford Unitedwww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
I think that's different. If you are keeping the ball in play and the other team isn't good enough to get it off you then that is IMO a valid tactic.
I don't care which team it is "practising the dark arts", it's cheating and has no place in the game. It has been getting worse every season. Poor officials who are influenced by the writhing on the ground are now not penalising the time wasting to the extent they should and coaches are using that to their advantage. It then infuriates one set of fans and leads to more unrest.
Surely gaining an advantage by unfair means should not be allowed to go unpunished? The trouble being that it has all become so common place, it will just be refined to another level.
And this is the outcome. None of us want to lose so, we start to accept it as part and parcel of the game. How long before we have a "stoppage coach" whose job it will be to come up with new ways of conning the officials?
Regarding the ref stopping the game that is fine. Player goes down injured usually for a foul anyway. Ref gives the free kick checks the player, if it’s not a head injury he calls physio on and the game continues with the physio treating the player on the pitch, if it is a head injury he is taken off and assessed but the gamecontinuesWhatever league we're in, we'll come up against opposition who do it. When we eventually get to The Championship then realistically we would have to do it more than we have over the last few seasons. When you don't have the players to outplay the opposition for 90 minutes then it's what you do. That said, it's also one of those things that gets overlooked more when the top teams do it. I don't watch much Premier League football, but Guardiola instilled tactical fouls when he arrived at Man City. Man City could have 65%/70% ball possession, but the moment they lost the ball (inevitably deep in the opposition half), an attacking player would commit a little foul to stop the opposition from getting out quickly. Call it gamesmanship if you like, it's a similar principal as far as I'm concerned.
I also think it's a little harsh blaming refs for stopping games if there is a head injury or something that may be serious. There would be uproar if they didn't and it turned out to be serious. What I always like to see is a ref who stops a player coming back on the pitch immediately after treatment if the player has obviously gone down to waste time and break up the opposition's rhythm.
On another note, people love to moan about the standard of reffing but who would be one? For a start, this thread acknowledges that a lot of the players on the pitch are going to cheat to gain an advantage, then you've got thousands of fans telling you you're wrong and managers getting in your face at full time. They're held to completely different standards from everyone else.
They'd probably start sitting down in the six-yard box, right in front of the goal, instead!Regarding the ref stopping the game that is fine. Player goes down injured usually for a foul anyway. Ref gives the free kick checks the player, if it’s not a head injury he calls physio on and the game continues with the physio treating the player on the pitch, if it is a head injury he is taken off and assessed but the gamecontinues
This would soon make players realise they only stay down for serious knocks
In that case play still goes on but that player could play our forwards onside ,so it’s not in their interestThey'd probably start sitting down in the six-yard box, right in front of the goal, instead!