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LeftSideBoy said:
If you have wealthy owners that are serious about investing in the club, the first thing you do is retain your best assets. I am going to assume, until shown otherwise that that is currently case with Oxford United. If we sold Whyte for such a low fee, I'm sure the state of financial panic within the fans would be quite massive...
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OK, I'll make the counter-argument......

When we talk about wealthy owners 'investing' in the club, what we actually mean - in 95%+ of all cases - is wealthy owners loaning the club money. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine this group of rich businessman, with no particular links to Oxford, being philanthropic and writing off any money they put into the club. It'll all go on OUFC's balance sheet.

So if OUFC continue to lose 2-3m or more every season, then OUFC is going to go further and further into debt.
And the day that those owners decide that they no longer want to continue to fund such losses, is the day that we potentially find ourselves in the sort of mess that Bolton or Bury are in now. The sort of mess we've been in before which enabled Kassam to come in and pick the club apart.

Every player is an asset, and therefore every player has a certain value.
Now, estimating that value is tough - how many places up the table will Whyte take us vs. any free agent replacement we might bring in? And how much money are those places worth in terms of prize money/extra gates? Is he is the sole difference between having a promotion side and not, in which case his value obviously spikes hugely?

So I don't know exactly what he's worth. But I do know that if we got 4m+, that would probably enable us to slightly increase our wage bill and turn a profit this season.
And that's certainly a good thing.
 
tonyw said:
OK, I'll make the counter-argument......

When we talk about wealthy owners 'investing' in the club, what we actually mean - in 95%+ of all cases - is wealthy owners loaning the club money. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine this group of rich businessman, with no particular links to Oxford, being philanthropic and writing off any money they put into the club. It'll all go on OUFC's balance sheet.

So if OUFC continue to lose 2-3m or more every season, then OUFC is going to go further and further into debt.
And the day that those owners decide that they no longer want to continue to fund such losses, is the day that we potentially find ourselves in the sort of mess that Bolton or Bury are in now. The sort of mess we've been in before which enabled Kassam to come in and pick the club apart.

Every player is an asset, and therefore every player has a certain value.
Now, estimating that value is tough - how many places up the table will Whyte take us vs. any free agent replacement we might bring in? And how much money are those places worth in terms of prize money/extra gates? Is he is the sole difference between having a promotion side and not, in which case his value obviously spikes hugely?

So I don't know exactly what he's worth. But I do know that if we got 4m+, that would probably enable us to slightly increase our wage bill and turn a profit this season.
And that's certainly a good thing.
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It would be if you were content never to progress to the Championship and beyond. If, as Tiger has stated, the immediate aim is the Championship then selling the players who could get you there won't cut it. Undoubtedly Gavin Whyte will go on to bigger things eventually but to sell him at this time when we are told there is no need to would show to me that the stated ambition is disingenuous.
 
arthurturner said:
It would be if you were content never to progress to the Championship and beyond. If, as Tiger has stated, the immediate aim is the Championship then selling the players who could get you there won't cut it. Undoubtedly Gavin Whyte will go on to bigger things eventually but to sell him at this time when we are told there is no need to would show to me that the stated ambition is disingenuous.
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But here's the thing - if we want to genuinely compete in the Championship as it is today i.e. have a wage bill that's maybe mid-table to give us a fighting chance then forget about losing 2-3m a season. We'll be losing 20m a season. We'll be putting our club at serious, serious risk.

To be able to compete at that level sustainably - we need to own our own ground, and we need it to be bigger & better. That is where the club's medium term ambitions need to lie and that is where progress has to be made.

I know it isn't exciting or sexy, but the financial health of OUFC is crucially important. And personally, I would rather we didn't continue to wrack up an extra 2-3m quid of debt every season while making absolutely zero progress on finding a stadium situation that will enable our club to grow. And if the likes of Gavin Whyte have to be periodically sold to enable us to break even whilst remaining competitive in what is a fun League One, then so be it.


And if KR does a sensational job, and we keep most of the current squad together and recruit well, then maybe we can still get promoted into the Championship. We'll struggle there with our revenues and cost base - as the likes of Rotherham and Millwall have done - but it'd be a lot of fun trying.
 
tonyw said:
But here's the thing - if we want to genuinely compete in the Championship as it is today i.e. have a wage bill that's maybe mid-table to give us a fighting chance then forget about losing 2-3m a season. We'll be losing 20m a season. We'll be putting our club at serious, serious risk.

To be able to compete at that level sustainably - we need to own our own ground, and we need it to be bigger & better. That is where the club's medium term ambitions need to lie and that is where progress has to be made.

I know it isn't exciting or sexy, but the financial health of OUFC is crucially important. And personally, I would rather we didn't continue to wrack up an extra 2-3m quid of debt every season while making absolutely zero progress on finding a stadium situation that will enable our club to grow. And if the likes of Gavin Whyte have to be periodically sold to enable us to break even whilst remaining competitive in what is a fun League One, then so be it.


And if KR does a sensational job, and we keep most of the current squad together and recruit well, then maybe we can still get promoted into the Championship. We'll struggle there with our revenues and cost base - as the likes of Rotherham and Millwall have done - but it'd be a lot of fun trying.
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Well said, it’s about being fun while remaining sustainable. I don’t mind sticking in League 1 for now as long we are competitive and turn over the big boys once in a while
 
Whyte should be feeling quite at home at this venue...

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Normally the gaffer would open the negotiation by declaring the player is not for sale at any price. The fact that KR is already talking figures suggests a quick sale is preferably.
 
Read that as a slight misplaced back pass as would not have given a figure that would have us consider an offer...Also can we please stop this wont stand in there way nonsense when a championship club shows interest because they deserve to play higher...That is meant to be our ambition to be playing there so hold on to them and they'll realize their ambition with us...
 
horseman said:
Also can we please stop this wont stand in there way nonsense when a championship club shows interest because they deserve to play higher...That is meant to be our ambition to be playing there so hold on to them and they'll realize their ambition with us...
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I sort of agree, but there is an element of letting excellent young players know that if they come to us and an opportunity arises for them then they will be allowed to take it. That encourages more such players to actively want to play for us.
 
horseman said:
Read that as a slight misplaced back pass as would not have given a figure that would have us consider an offer...Also can we please stop this wont stand in there way nonsense when a championship club shows interest because they deserve to play higher...That is meant to be our ambition to be playing there so hold on to them and they'll realize their ambition with us...
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And the best way to get there is to buy cheap, sell high and reinvest. Would be gutted to see him go but £4m could buy us a whole new promotion team.
 
Of course he is for sale at the right price.
There would need to be a buy on clause as well but £4m would be a lot for a Championship club to pay after just one season in L1.
Some on here reckon that Nelson may go to Sunderland as he would be a risk for a Championship club and he would be free! So £4m would be a decent price based on him costing £100k just a year ago.
Having said all of that I really hope that he stats another year.
 
tonyw said:
But here's the thing - if we want to genuinely compete in the Championship as it is today i.e. have a wage bill that's maybe mid-table to give us a fighting chance then forget about losing 2-3m a season. We'll be losing 20m a season. We'll be putting our club at serious, serious risk.

To be able to compete at that level sustainably - we need to own our own ground, and we need it to be bigger & better. That is where the club's medium term ambitions need to lie and that is where progress has to be made.

I know it isn't exciting or sexy, but the financial health of OUFC is crucially important. And personally, I would rather we didn't continue to wrack up an extra 2-3m quid of debt every season while making absolutely zero progress on finding a stadium situation that will enable our club to grow. And if the likes of Gavin Whyte have to be periodically sold to enable us to break even whilst remaining competitive in what is a fun League One, then so be it.


And if KR does a sensational job, and we keep most of the current squad together and recruit well, then maybe we can still get promoted into the Championship. We'll struggle there with our revenues and cost base - as the likes of Rotherham and Millwall have done - but it'd be a lot of fun trying.
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Don’t agree with everything you post but you’re on the money with this.

Robbo is driving the price up.
£4 million would cover our losses for 2 years.

The unknown factor of course is just how much money our band of brothers are willing to commit to the club.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I sort of agree, but there is an element of letting excellent young players know that if they come to us and an opportunity arises for them then they will be allowed to take it. That encourages more such players to actively want to play for us.
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Yes realize that, would rather encourage such players to play for us and build something with us...it's a negative for a club but a positive for a player that Oxford United can be used as a stepping stone When your're previously stating you have ambition to be a championship club...
Identify the players you want give them 2 year deals where we have option of a 3rd and have a good go at realising your ambition and if we don't make it then we listen to offers.
 
I also think that in saying £4M KR knows that it is very unlikely that any club is going to make such an offer.
 
tatabanya said:
And the best way to get there is to buy cheap, sell high and reinvest. Would be gutted to see him go but £4m could buy us a whole new promotion team.
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in theory but there were rumours of players turning us down last year and where did that leave us? so we are fishing at the buy cheap letting players know they will be free to move on Where's the club ambition in that?
As i've said below identify your players give them 2 year deals where we have otion for 3rd and have a good go at it and if we don't make it then we listen to offers...
 
PottersRightBoot said:
Don’t agree with everything you post but you’re on the money with this.

Robbo is driving the price up.
£4 million would cover our losses for 2 years.

The unknown factor of course is just how much money our band of brothers are willing to commit to the club.
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After seeing last year's accounts, £4million might just cover one year. The trickle down effect of the huge wages available in the EPL drive up player costs all the way down the pyramid, so what we were paying to get promoted from the conference is a long way from that needed to be competitive in L1 (by which I mean a top 7 budget).
 
Foley said:
Of course he is for sale at the right price.
There would need to be a buy on clause as well but £4m would be a lot for a Championship club to pay after just one season in L1.
Some on here reckon that Nelson may go to Sunderland as he would be a risk for a Championship club and he would be free! So £4m would be a decent price based on him costing £100k just a year ago.
Having said all of that I really hope that he stats another year.
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Agree with this.
 
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