What will this week bring

Marked Ox said:
Can we please try to keep the OxVox/Charlie discussion to one thread, or at least not pollute every thread in this sub-forum as seems to be case?!

It has been debated over and over on other threads over the last no. of weeks so please let it go in this one. It is making this forum unreadable when every thread seems to end up in the same discussion.
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This. He's turning into a deluded old idiot more and more by the day. It's so boring.

Plus he wants us to be relegated so really his posts have an ulterior motive.
 
Millman said:
For me I am not really bothered what OxVox decides it should be.

Many of the better informed posters on here are extremely worried about just what Eales has done to the club (Asset strip may not be such a harsh term to be used), and just what Tiger can do for the club (Is he an utter fantasist with little or no resources?). What is very worrying now is that we are hurtling into the void and that not enough people are making a fuss.

Yes we could see a decent manager appointed early this week and then maybe we can calm down a little (however those big questions for Eales and Tiger remain to be asked and answered). However if we reach Saturday with still no manager in place I think every fan should be very worried and we should all start to make a fuss.

I know its early days for Tiger but so far he has presided over an utter shambles. I don't remember many take overs that started like this and ended well.

I am extremely unhappy with this whole mess. Eales is beginnning
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Marked Ox said:
Can we please try to keep the OxVox/Charlie discussion to one thread, or at least not pollute every thread in this sub-forum as seems to be the case?!

It has been debated over and over on other threads over the last no. of weeks so please let it go in this one. It is making this forum unreadable when every thread seems to end up in the same discussion.
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This is not about personalities, it’s about the future of our club. As a member of Oxvox I like many others want to know what the future of our club holds. Charlie made a list of questions and they would seem to be all relevant and need to be asked of the new owner. I cannot see how asking these questions would be deemed unreasonable do you? We are all hopeful that we gain the required number of points to keep us in this division, but looking back at the last 11 games it’s not looking good.

The vast majority of supporters will never have a face to face meeting with Tiger so will depend on those who have access to him to ask these questions and report back to everyone the answers and not be bound by confidentiality promises or loyalty to the club. Loyalty should be with the supporters and members at all times.
 
T’ai Chi said:
This is not about personalities, it’s about the future of our club. As a member of Oxvox I like many others want to know what the future of our club holds. Charlie made a list of questions and they would seem to be all relevant and need to be asked of the new owner. I cannot see how asking these questions would be deemed unreasonable do you? We are all hopeful that we gain the required number of points to keep us in this division, but looking back at the last 11 games it’s not looking good.

The vast majority of supporters will never have a face to face meeting with Tiger so will depend on those who have access to him to ask these questions and report back to everyone the answers and not be bound by confidentiality promises or loyalty to the club. Loyalty should be with the supporters and members at all times.
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And those issues have and are being debated on other threads. It would be nice to have at least one thread that isn't about that discussion.
 
Dave T said:
Don’t disagree at all, but I will wait and hear that from the people I elected to act on my behalf, not just take the word of people who have been desperate to get back involved ever since they were voted out, who have done nothing but criticise since.

Charlie has a habit of starting a post off with, jems a very intelligent capable person or we should give tiger time before judging him, then half way down the post throws in a massive BUT and finishes it with exactly the opposite. Myself and others are more than capable of making up our own minds.
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I have not judged Tiger at any point. Indeed, I have just produced a long list of questions that I would ask of any owner (excepting the specific question about 'Jack''s role and consultancy business model). Like you, I have been a voice of moderation, urging people NOT to judge him.

And as for Jeremy, yes I do think that he is a very capable and intelligent fellow who cares about OUFC deeply. It is important, I think, not to conflate disagreement with personal contempt (they can stand together, but not necessarily). I am also a fan of Colin Barson's, who I think has fire in his belly and a good business brain too. I have always very much liked Simon Bradbury, who is often a savvy judge of what is really going on. I admire the tireless work that Michael North does to raise money for the club. I revere what Trevor did as a fans leader back in the day when things were (last) tough. Need I go on? This is not personal, on my account anyway.

But just as I can respect m'Lord Heseltine's life, career and native intelligence, I disagree deeply with him on the EU and will say so to my former MP whenever I see him. If he responded by telling (or defaming) me that I was a heap of s**t who worked for crooks, tried to encourage repression, had no moral compass and is trying to destroy the UK then I would, I think, be slightly taken aback.

It would be a bit more seemly if any member of the OxVox committee who chooses to disagree with former committee members did so by first acknowledging the long service and good intentions of those they disagree with. And then, calmly, explain why they believe their course of action to be the correct one. Because, when you think about it, if they ARE wrong then that is not mitigated by Myles, me and co being former war criminals. And if they are right then the force of that argument will win the day far better than individual character assassinations.
 
Dave T said:
And the last Oxvox release said send us in any questions, we will put them to the owner, so instead of asking them everyday on here, send that list into Oxvox. No one has said they are not important questions, the need to keep asking them on here, unless tiger is now registered is unlikely to get and answer
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Dave, they now have a comprehensive list of questions that they can ask, do you not agree. Now here’s the real BUT, when will they meet with the new owner to ask them? Let’s hope it is within two weeks from today. I would suggest 48hrs, but we know that means at least 18 days ;)
 
Marked Ox said:
And those issues have and are being debated on other threads. It would be nice to have at least one thread that isn't about that discussion.
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A thread specifically titled to encourage discussion on what can/ should happen next is probably not the best place to make your plea! Nor on the Boardroom section.

A tip: if you go onto the 'Matches' and 'Players' sections, you will find plenty of threads that are not 'infected' by political discussions about the future of our club.
 
Lundinsponytail said:
A thread specifically titled to encourage discussion on what can/ should happen next is probably not the best place to make your plea! Nor on the Boardroom section.

A tip: if you go onto the 'Matches' and 'Players' sections, you will find plenty of threads that are not 'infected' by political discussions about the future of our club.
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Actually it asked what is, if anything, going to happen this week. Not what your opinions about OxVox or Tiger's long term ownership which you've repeated on many threads in this section.
 
unification said:
Charlie: I blame Eales, I blame OxVox [stretched out over 1000 words in every thread]
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And some more shite responses like this from fans who’ve had their heads deeply buried in the sand or worse for 12-18months.
 
Is Tiger definatley out of the country again?

Who at the club is running the show while he's away?

The fan base is feeling alienated and even worst apathetic, we've got fans who are usually positive, calm and supporting of the club in absolute bits and there's not a single indication from the club that they give a s**t or know how to deal with the siutation.

The manager, the take-over, the press conference, the poor staff at the club - poor buggers I'm sure want to do something, the players, Faz - its all a bloody mess and can't wait any longer.
 
uptheus said:
And some more shite responses like this from fans who’ve had their heads deeply buried in the sand or worse for 12-18months.
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Ooooh. Sarcy one, aren’t ya?

Go back and read my response on page 1. I was predicting how this thread would play out. If I may allow myself a Charlie style moment of smugness, it’s done it almost to the letter.

If Charlie, Myles et al have all these questions that OxVox won’t ask, why don’t they ask them of Tiger? Contact the club directly, contact the OM and RadOx and force the questions to be asked.

Or is posting on a forum so months later they can say ‘I told you so’ their style?

Proactive or reactive, guys? What’s it to be?
 
unification said:
Ooooh. Sarcy one, aren’t ya?

Go back and read my response on page 1. I was predicting how this thread would play out. If I may allow myself a Charlie style moment of smugness, it’s done it almost to the letter.

If Charlie, Myles et al have all these questions that OxVox won’t ask, why don’t they ask them of Tiger? Contact the club directly, contact the OM and RadOx and force the questions to be asked.

Or is posting on a forum so months later they can say ‘I told you so’ their style?

Proactive or reactive, guys? What’s it to be?
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Wasn’t having a go at you, was just agreeing with you.
 
Dave T said:
I haven’t said u charlie, in the first post I said people, u assumed I included u! U have openly said that u are willing to give tiger time to prove himself, and I have said I never expect u to say anything good about Darryl.
I fully understand the questions need asking several are question I have asked myself, even before Myles ie the oxcity link and the training ground. I’m a very questioning person u know. As I’ve said before I think now is a time we need to all pull together, to question politely but ultimately support the current owner until he gives us reason not to. I don’t think the constant criticism of Oxvox helps in that at all. (Not by u). Although u may have mentioned several times their willingness to upset Darryl on the matter and be shut out. I accept that even that is probably move of a criticism of how u see Darryl than Oxvox
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Yes, I think that you are mostly right there. A couple of things:

1. The criticism of OxVox could be halted by two things. Either a measured explanation of why they have acted as they have which bears up to scrutiny. There could be a reason why they decided to work alongside DE in helping the takeover happen away from public scrutiny. Or, they get on with actually providing that independent public scrutiny now. Because if they do the latter then former failings can be put to one side as not relevant for now. But the body language suggests that they do not actually think that the way they went about things was mis-judged and that therefore that is the way that things will continue to be going forward.
2. Of course I am more critical of DE than OxVox!! If ever someone who set themselves up as a hero was hiding the clay feet.... it was him. It was the simultaneous need to both make money and receive unqualified adulation that caused the problem. He clearly decided, once he couldn't get easy assurances on the stadium last Christmas, that he wanted out. Fair enough. From that moment on, though, his best interests diverged from OUFC's best interests. That is not a point against him; that is just reality. So, given that reality, to give him cover while he went about getting his £11 million out was unwise, in my view, let alone colluding in the requirement for public adulation.
 
Lundinsponytail said:
Dave T said:
I haven’t said u charlie, in the first post I said people, u assumed I included u! U have openly said that u are willing to give tiger time to prove himself, and I have said I never expect u to say anything good about Darryl.
I fully understand the questions need asking several are question I have asked myself, even before Myles ie the oxcity link and the training ground. I’m a very questioning person u know. As I’ve said before I think now is a time we need to all pull together, to question politely but ultimately support the current owner until he gives us reason not to. I don’t think the constant criticism of Oxvox helps in that at all. (Not by u). Although u may have mentioned several times their willingness to upset Darryl on the matter and be shut out. I accept that even that is probably move of a criticism of how u see Darryl than Oxvox
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Yes, I think that you are mostly right there. A couple of things:

1. The criticism of OxVox could be halted by two things. Either a measured explanation of why they have acted as they have which bears up to scrutiny. There could be a reason why they decided to work alongside DE in helping the takeover happen away from public scrutiny. Or, they get on with actually providing that independent public scrutiny now. Because if they do the latter then former failings can be put to one side as not relevant for now. But the body language suggests that they do not actually think that the way they went about things was mis-judged and that therefore that is the way that things will continue to be going forward.
2. Of course I am more critical of DE than OxVox!! If ever someone who set themselves up as a hero was hiding the clay feet.... it was him. It was the simultaneous need to both make money and receive unqualified adulation that caused the problem. He clearly decided, once he couldn't get easy assurances on the stadium last Christmas, that he wanted out. Fair enough. From that moment on, though, his best interests diverged from OUFC's best interests. That is not a point against him; that is just reality. So, given that reality, to give him cover while he went about getting his £11 million out was unwise, in my view, let alone colluding in the requirement for public adulation.
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How are we at £11m again ?
Sold club to tiger - £2.5? Was it
£4.2 future hard debt to come.
£4 m from player sales ? Is that right ?
 
3 names in the hat but the hat will probably get lost and we will spend a month looking for it. I am starting to wonder if we will ever get a manager again, there are a few things in life that take seven plus weeks to do but appointing a league one football club manager isn’t one of them, absolute joke.
 
Maybe Tiger is conducting the process in a ‘The Voice’ style format to go out weekly on some obscure TV channel after TOWIE. We’re now down to last three, when I gets to the last two they have to live for a week in a house where nothing is private, and ice-skate while forcing down kangaroo nads in the grand final. Can’t wait until it’s aired..
 
holdsteady said:
3 names in the hat but the hat will probably get lost and we will spend a month looking for it. I am starting to wonder if we will ever get a manager again, there are a few things in life that take seven plus weeks to do but appointing a league one football club manager isn’t one of them, absolute joke.
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Who are the three candidates? I thought everyone had ruled themselves out.
 
As the 'OP' I was just wondering if anyone thought we'd get any news this week, didn’t expect this shitstorm
 
I am getting very nervous. I have a friend of a friend on the board (I'm not saying who) and let's just say he hasn't been all that impressed with Tiger's rigour to date. Nor has he been given any kind of plan. But even with this in mind I remain hopeful. Possibly out of habit more than anything else. But we have to stick together. And back the team.
 
jaybeachjump said:
I am getting very nervous. I have a friend of a friend on the board (I'm not saying who) and let's just say he hasn't been all that impressed with Tiger's rigour to date. Nor has he been given any kind of plan. But even with this in mind I remain hopeful. Possibly out of habit more than anything else. But we have to stick together. And back the team.
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As the board now consists of Tiger, Darryl, and David Jones, it’s a small pool to choose from....
 
Dave T said:
Any answer charlie ?
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One thing that is still around is an unsatisfied charge held by Alycidon over Ensco 1070 for £10 million. Effectively means that DE owes himself that money but as it is held by two separate companies, one of which being the company which "owned" OUFC, that remains a debt.
 
Manorlounger said:
Dave T said:
Any answer charlie ?
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One thing that is still around is an unsatisfied charge held by Alycidon over Ensco 1070 for £10 million. Effectively means that DE owes himself that money but as it is held by two separate companies, one of which being the company which "owned" OUFC, that remains a debt.
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That surely is the £10m they set aside when they first brought the club. So it’s basically a debt to him self no longer held by Oufc surely
 
Dave T said:
Any answer charlie ?
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Yes. Correct, something like that.

Of course, he had spent about 8 or 9 million in total (including purchase price) so it is not as if he made off big time. Once he realised that the Championship was a non-starter he wanted all his money back (which Sartori/Donald would have given him) but then he heard of a way in which he could make a couple of million. Hallelujah! It is not often you get an uplift out of a business plan that has had to be abandoned.
The problem was - and is - that the only person who would stump up 7 million when other League 1 clubs with their own stadium are going for 5 is someone maybe less engaged with reality than is ideal. So here we are. The club is in hard debt to another former owner. And has someone without the wherewithal to sort out our stadium mess. And is in another mess at Oxford City (albeit a smaller one).
Sadly, we are in a place where we desperately need one of Myles' money launderers to take an interest!
 
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