General Forest Green female caretaker manager

[dickwalton1964]

I’m not sure that many clubs bother appointing an interim manager for 14 days?

She was a caretaker manager until a decision was made regarding a permanent appointment. That's all she was. They had a friendly or two in that period and understandably wanted someone to steer the ship in that period. With the season approaching a permanent appointment was always going to be made pretty quickly.

On this basis, Lewis and Fazackerley should have got the permanent Oxford job just because they oversaw things on an interim basis while a managerial process was taking place. The furore surrounding this is totally ridiculous and indicative of the delicate world we are in.

 

[dickwalton1964]

Just to add, Lewis had the interim job (before Waddock) for about 3 months ! If she warranted it after 14 days then Lewis should have been handed a 10 year contract for 3 months of it !!! Faz was about 6 weeks in the role too !!!

 

[Andy Stroud]

I think that's rubbish. Plenty of academy managers are brought in as a caretaker, there are loads of examples. At no point did FGR say she'd be the manager going forwards, like most clubs you'd think there was a process and she didn't get it. What's wrong with that ? They had over 100 applicants apparently, I'd have been amazed if she came through that and got the job. No one will tell me that of the minimum 99 other applicants there wasn't a more suitable person to try and lead them out of L2 than the current FGR academy manager.

Vince can't win. If he'd have given the caretaker role to someone else he could have been accused of bypassing here because she's a woman. The people who have the problem with this are the worst sort by even bringing gender in to it. Who gives a sh*t what sex she is, she got it on a temporary basis, she didn't get it full time and wasn't considered good enough - fine, no problem with that. Happened thousands of times before and will happen thousands of times again.

A non story to most of us but a massive story to those who want to jump on the equality bandwagon.

My opinion is nothing to do with ‘jumping on the equality bandwagon’. Vince made a big thing of the appointment because it suited his desire for publicity. You’re right to say that she didn’t get the job full time because she wasn’t the best candidate. I have no argument with that

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

She was a caretaker manager until a decision was made regarding a permanent appointment. That's all she was. They had a friendly or two in that period and understandably wanted someone to steer the ship in that period. With the season approaching a permanent appointment was always going to be made pretty quickly.

On this basis, Lewis and Fazackerley should have got the permanent Oxford job just because they oversaw things on an interim basis while a managerial process was taking place. The furore surrounding this is totally ridiculous and indicative of the delicate world we are in.

I don’t think anyone is saying that she should have got the job, I don’t know why you’re focusing on that. The point is most clubs wouldn’t make a big song and dance about asking an academy manager to oversee things for literally two weeks while a full time manager was found. The chairman’s comments about how this will help women in the game etc have clearly been exposed as nothing other than an attempt to get publicity.

 

[dickwalton1964]

My opinion is nothing to do with ‘jumping on the equality bandwagon’. Vince made a big thing of the appointment because it suited his desire for publicity. You’re right to say that she didn’t get the job full time because she wasn’t the best candidate. I have no argument with that

Did he ?

He was no doubt given loads of air time and column inches by an intrigued media but in what way did he court it that you know of ? I think you are jumping on a bandwagon by just assuming Vince did this and he did that. He wont be the first football club owner who likes the sound of his own voice but I'm really struggling to see anything he has done that reeks of a publicity stunt.

 

[dickwalton1964]

I don’t think anyone is saying that she should have got the job, I don’t know why you’re focusing on that. The point is most clubs wouldn’t make a big song and dance about asking an academy manager to oversee things for literally two weeks while a full time manager was found. The chairman’s comments about how this will help women in the game etc have clearly been exposed as nothing other than an attempt to get publicity.

Even just an interim appointment is a step in the right direction though, the mould has at least been broken. He might have seen things in those two weeks that he didn't like, she may have been out of her depth or the players weren't happy etc etc. He owns the club, he can change his mind but I can see nothing anywhere where there was a promise - or even a realistic indication - of her getting the job full time. That's the media who had her down for the gig permanently.

 

[Andy Stroud]

Did he ?

He was no doubt given loads of air time and column inches by an intrigued media but in what way did he court it that you know of ? I think you are jumping on a bandwagon by just assuming Vince did this and he did that. He wont be the first football club owner who likes the sound of his own voice but I'm really struggling to see anything he has done that reeks of a publicity stunt.

I seem to be jumping on so many bandwagons I can’t keep up. I live in Stroud and I’m subject to Vince publicity through the local media on a regular basis. I don’t question his motives, in fact he is in my opinion a force for good. (Oh look I’ve jumped on the green bandwagon now). However this doesn’t mean that I can’t criticise his constant desire for media attention.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Sadly, I think this is another publicity stunt from FGR and Dale Vince. I would be surprised if they don’t find a permanent (male) manager before the season starts.

Dale Vince said she's the best person for the job. Which is maybe the case but it's a coincidence the first female manager to be "best" for the job, happens to be at FGR, who of course want to champion these things.

I find it quite strange that I feel like in society we are told gender is a social construct, but also expected to really care about the differences in gender when it comes to things like this.

Best of luck to her, and hope matty fires them in over there.

 

[CCYellow]

best person for the job

Who was also replaced 13 days later!

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Who was also replaced 13 days later!

Just seen. Dale Vince publicity stunt then, that's so poor from him.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

I feel sorry for her to be used as a PR stunt by Vince.
Yes it is normal to put the academy manager in charge while you find someone but they called a press conference to announce it and got her to pose with the shirt.

Interestingly Vince got offered to go onto talkSPORT today to discuss it but he declined. I wonder why.

Hopefully this won’t affect her career moving forward.

 

[dickwalton1964]

No one knows what went on in those 14 days, if indeed she was ever in with a chance of the job. Not every interim manager is in the frame to become permanent manager. There could have been recruitment problems, negative feedback from the player, anything that could have sowed a seed of doubt in Vince’s mind. He’s not there to appease the snowflakes, he’s there to run a football and make decisions as he sees fit.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

No one knows what went on in those 14 days, if indeed she was ever in with a chance of the job. Not every interim manager is in the frame to become permanent manager. There could have been recruitment problems, negative feedback from the player, anything that could have sowed a seed of doubt in Vince’s mind. He’s not there to appease the snowflakes, he’s there to run a football and make decisions as he sees fit.

That doesn’t stop it being a complete PR stunt from the start. In the press conference it was all about Hannah being the 1st female manager of a men’s football team. He mentioned it at least 3 times but it was also clear she wasn’t going to get the job long term.

If that was the case then why not do what any other football club do and when they sack a manager just put 1 line at the bottom saying: ‘Academy Manager, Hannah Dingley, will take temporary charge of the team while we find a suitable replacement.’

Instead DV called a press conference and got her posing with the kit.

 

[Andy Stroud]

No one knows what went on in those 14 days, if indeed she was ever in with a chance of the job. Not every interim manager is in the frame to become permanent manager. There could have been recruitment problems, negative feedback from the player, anything that could have sowed a seed of doubt in Vince’s mind. He’s not there to appease the snowflakes, he’s there to run a football and make decisions as he sees fit.

You’re still missing the point. And why the need to use ‘snowflakes’ to describe people who disagree with your opinion?

 

[dickwalton1964]

That doesn’t stop it being a complete PR stunt from the start. In the press conference it was all about Hannah being the 1st female manager of a men’s football team. He mentioned it at least 3 times but it was also clear she wasn’t going to get the job long term.

If that was the case then why not do what any other football club do and when they sack a manager just put 1 line at the bottom saying: ‘Academy Manager, Hannah Dingley, will take temporary charge of the team while we find a suitable replacement.’

Instead DV called a press conference and got her posing with the kit.

But he wasn't wrong, she was in charge albeit for a few pre season friendlies - that's still a landmark 'appointment'. Like I say, she wasn't given the job permanently, that bit is very clear from the outset so what's he done wrong ?

 

[Steve Gilbert]

But he wasn't wrong, she was in charge albeit for a few pre season friendlies - that's still a landmark 'appointment'. Like I say, she wasn't given the job permanently, that bit is very clear from the outset so what's he done wrong ?

Yes she was there as a stop gap, no one has an issue with that but then don’t hold a press conference and make such a big deal out of it when you wouldn’t for any one else.

It was a PR stunt to try and make it look like he was changing the game. He hasn’t.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

And so what Steve? If it's made it more 'acceptable' for another owner to promote a female into a more prominent role next time, or simply raised the profile of women in football, then it's still positive?

There are a plethora of truly appalling human beings who own football clubs up and down the country and I really don't think that Dale Vince is one of them. If, occassionally, he does things for a bit of a show then so be it - the message is positive so what's the harm?

Seems like a strange hill to die on Steve - far more deserving owners for your ire.

 

[dickwalton1964]

And so what Steve? If it's made it more 'acceptable' for another owner to promote a female into a more prominent role next time, or simply raised the profile of women in football, then it's still positive?

There are a plethora of truly appalling human beings who own football clubs up and down the country and I really don't think that Dale Vince is one of them. If, occassionally, he does things for a bit of a show then so be it - the message is positive so what's the harm?

Seems like a strange hill to die on Steve - far more deserving owners for your ire.

Exactly.

No other owner has bothered to put a female before the media in virtually any playing capacity. He should be applauded, not vilified.