National News Brexit - the Deal or No Deal poll

Brexit - Deal or No Deal?

  • Deal

    Votes: 51 29.1%

  • No Deal

    Votes: 77 44.0%

  • Call in the Donald

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • Call in Noel Edmonds

    Votes: 8 4.6%

  • I don't care anymore

    Votes: 37 21.1%
  • Total voters
    175
It appears that some are unable to distinguish between the homeless and those in full/part time employment or recently unemployed who are unable to manage, or, as has been coined ‘the just about managing’.

It’s possible in our own city, next to our own football ground to speak to people who are striving to be better off. Unfortunately they’re unable to move because they don’t have the deposit to cover a new tenancy somewhere else and can’t guarantee that they’ll find work. There’s people heading home or to work now who are living day by day due to increased bills, cost of consumables, travel etc. who will be impacted if prices rise in our supermarkets.

Unfortunately there are also many people in that demographic who were promised a better land by voting Brexit.

It’s all very well saying suck it up, go and move, get a better job, get a third job, or spend less but that’s not entirely possible in 21st Century Britain.
 
Pete Burrett said:
Explain?
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The mere fact that what has been voted for is not being delivered. It looks like Corbyn, The Greens and Liberals are ruling the roost and preventing brexit from happening. To be honest I am sick and tired of how this country has become the worlds laughing stock.
I doubt with the choice I’ve got I’ll be voting again
 
carefreeoufc said:
It appears that some are unable to distinguish between the homeless and those in full/part time employment or recently unemployed who are unable to manage, or, as has been coined ‘the just about managing’.

It’s possible in our own city, next to our own football ground to speak to people who are striving to be better off. Unfortunately they’re unable to move because they don’t have the deposit to cover a new tenancy somewhere else and can’t guarantee that they’ll find work. There’s people heading home or to work now who are living day by day due to increased bills, cost of consumables, travel etc. who will be impacted if prices rise in our supermarkets.

Unfortunately there are also many people in that demographic who were promised a better land by voting Brexit.

It’s all very well saying suck it up, go and move, get a better job, get a third job, or spend less but that’s not entirely possible in 21st Century Britain.
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Your last line sums it up best. The world isn’t the same now as it used to be, on virtually any level. Even 30-35 years ago a fairly average salary meant you could buy a property of some description, and a decent salary meant you could do that while the wife stayed home and raised the kids etc. Almost anyone could just get a job down the road, local businesses were the norm, and everyone knew everyone else.

It is not like that anymore, and that’s why the older people are, the higher the chance they voted for Brexit. It is a sliding scale in terms of percentages vote to leave versus the age bracket they fall into. People voting for how things used to be, basing their logic on mantras such as “well it worked just fine when I was younger”, and quite often not being in touch with the world around them. An awful lot of people voted for Brexit because they’re scared of a world they no longer understand or feel they have a say in. That’s why the word ‘control’ was a master stroke. Take back control. Take back that feeling of knowing what is going on. Show the world that you feel is leaving, or has left you behind already, that you are valuable and should be listened to. Take it back. Take everything you remember, and everything you used to feel was familiar, back. Take back control.

We can talk about it all you want, but it’s that simple. Brexit is the result of people not feeling as though they understand or matter in the world around them anymore. The people who got older and retired or are approaching that period of life, the residents of the coastal towns that once thrived and are now rusting wastelands, the people in the northern outposts who have seen industry and local trade close down and reduce their towns to a series of abandoned factories and boarded up pubs and shops. They didn’t feel they had a place anymore, and by Christ, they were going to make sure they put that cross in that box on polling day. Because that was all they had.

They took back control of a world they feel has left them behind or cut them out, and that’s why they aren’t letting go no matter what. This is everything. This MEANS everything. With no Brexit, there is virtually no point. Because at least this is theirs - this is their legacy, their choice, their voice - and as such this is their world. Whatever follows, whatever happens, it is theirs. The real tragedy is that the people who voted for Brexit because they didn’t recognise the world anymore won’t recognise what follows either.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Your last line sums it up best. The world isn’t the same now as it used to be, on virtually any level. Even 30-35 years ago a fairly average salary meant you could buy a property of some description, and a decent salary meant you could do that while the wife stayed home and raised the kids etc. Almost anyone could just get a job down the road, local businesses were the norm, and everyone knew everyone else.

It is not like that anymore, and that’s why the older people are, the higher the chance they voted for Brexit. It is a sliding scale in terms of percentages vote to leave versus the age bracket they fall into. People voting for how things used to be, basing their logic on mantras such as “well it worked just fine when I was younger”, and quite often not being in touch with the world around them. An awful lot of people voted for Brexit because they’re scared of a world they no longer understand or feel they have a say in. That’s why the word ‘control’ was a master stroke. Take back control. Take back that feeling of knowing what is going on. Show the world that you feel is leaving, or has left you behind already, that you are valuable and should be listened to. Take it back. Take everything you remember, and everything you used to feel was familiar, back. Take back control.

We can talk about it all you want, but it’s that simple. Brexit is the result of people not feeling as though they understand or matter in the world around them anymore. The people who got older and retired or are approaching that period of life, the residents of the coastal towns that once thrived and are now rusting wastelands, the people in the northern outposts who have seen industry and local trade close down and reduce their towns to a series of abandoned factories and boarded up pubs and shops. They didn’t feel they had a place anymore, and by Christ, they were going to make sure they put that cross in that box on polling day. Because that was all they had.

They took back control of a world they feel has left them behind or cut them out, and that’s why they aren’t letting go no matter what. This is everything. This MEANS everything. With no Brexit, there is virtually no point. Because at least this is theirs - this is their legacy, their choice, their voice - and as such this is their world. Whatever follows, whatever happens, it is theirs. The real tragedy is that the people who voted for Brexit because they didn’t recognise the world anymore won’t recognise what follows either.
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I don't usually find myself disagreeing with what you say but, this is a sweeping statement that just doesn't cover it. I didn't vote leave because of some feeling that the world has left me behind, I voted leave because I don't like what the EU has become. I was in favour of a free trade area. Unfortunately the EU has become far more than that. You talk about control and that is what has happened, control has moved, not necessarily in a geographical sense but in a social sense. The political leanings of Brussels are in control and we Brits have been relegated to the lower order. Subjugated by our sense of fair play and ability to stand in a queue while others push past and take what they want and reject what they don't.
Thankfully we didn't get sucked into the Euro, had we done so our economy would now be totally subservient to the whims of Brussels and of those we had no majority to oppose and, Brexit would never have entered the vocabulary.
 
carefreeoufc said:
Operation Yellowhammer (6 pages)

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Am I the only one whose response to this document is to say "That's it?"
I mean I'm not recoiling at the horror of the worst case scenario projections in that document; I'm recoiling because a bright intern with an internet connection could probably whip that up in a day. And this is what Conservative leadership was using as a resource for Brexit decision making?

I hope that it's backed up by a hundred page document of serious analysis and modelling.....but I fear this is all the cabinet had to work off.
Six pages of vagaries such as "Some cross-border financial services will be disrupted" or "Law enforcement data and information sharing between UK and EU will be disrupted". Yeah, no **** Sherlock. Would even a little bit of detail be too much to ask?
 
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Manorlounger said:
The political leanings of Brussels are in control and we Brits have been relegated to the lower order. Subjugated by our sense of fair play and ability to stand in a queue while others push past and take what they want and reject what they don't.
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How have we been relegated to a lower order and what is this lower order?

What others have pushed past and what have they taken?

What have they rejected?
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Your last line sums it up best. The world isn’t the same now as it used to be, on virtually any level. Even 30-35 years ago a fairly average salary meant you could buy a property of some description, and a decent salary meant you could do that while the wife stayed home and raised the kids etc. Almost anyone could just get a job down the road, local businesses were the norm, and everyone knew everyone else.

It is not like that anymore, and that’s why the older people are, the higher the chance they voted for Brexit. It is a sliding scale in terms of percentages vote to leave versus the age bracket they fall into. People voting for how things used to be, basing their logic on mantras such as “well it worked just fine when I was younger”, and quite often not being in touch with the world around them. An awful lot of people voted for Brexit because they’re scared of a world they no longer understand or feel they have a say in. That’s why the word ‘control’ was a master stroke. Take back control. Take back that feeling of knowing what is going on. Show the world that you feel is leaving, or has left you behind already, that you are valuable and should be listened to. Take it back. Take everything you remember, and everything you used to feel was familiar, back. Take back control.

We can talk about it all you want, but it’s that simple. Brexit is the result of people not feeling as though they understand or matter in the world around them anymore. The people who got older and retired or are approaching that period of life, the residents of the coastal towns that once thrived and are now rusting wastelands, the people in the northern outposts who have seen industry and local trade close down and reduce their towns to a series of abandoned factories and boarded up pubs and shops. They didn’t feel they had a place anymore, and by Christ, they were going to make sure they put that cross in that box on polling day. Because that was all they had.

They took back control of a world they feel has left them behind or cut them out, and that’s why they aren’t letting go no matter what. This is everything. This MEANS everything. With no Brexit, there is virtually no point. Because at least this is theirs - this is their legacy, their choice, their voice - and as such this is their world. Whatever follows, whatever happens, it is theirs. The real tragedy is that the people who voted for Brexit because they didn’t recognise the world anymore won’t recognise what follows either.
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So statistically the older you are, the more likely you are to believe in Brexit. Shouldn't the Brexiteers be the ones labeled 'Bed Wetters'?

Good post. I'm a full-blown remainer and fully in control of my bladder so definitely some substance here.
 
m said:
How have we been relegated to a lower order and what is this lower order?

What others have pushed past and what have they taken?

What have they rejected?
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The lower order refers to the positioning of British Euro MPs. Without membership of one of the larger grouping within the EU, political influence is minimal.
This being the case it is then easy to understand that policies within the EU will be more favourable towards those nation parties forming the mentioned political grouping.
 
Manorlounger said:
The lower order refers to the positioning of British Euro MPs. Without membership of one of the larger grouping within the EU, political influence is minimal.
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In actual fact, it was the Tories wot done it.

"The European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR)[1] is a Eurosceptic,[12][13][14][15][16] anti-federalist[11][12][17] political group in the European Parliament. The ECR is the parliamentary group of the Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe (ACRE) European political party (formerly known as the Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists), but also includes MEPs from four other European parties and thirteen MEPs without European party affiliation. The group focuses on reforming the European Union (EU) on the basis of Eurorealism[18] as opposed to total rejection of the EU (anti-EU-ism).[19][20]

The ECR was founded around the Movement for European Reform after the 2009 European elections at the behest of British Conservative Party leader David Cameron. Currently it is the fifth-largest group in the European Parliament with 62 MEPs from 15 countries."

You can may be able to find that text in Wikipaedia.

Still, thanks for the taste of the future, when everything Little England caused to go wrong at Brexit will be the fault of the Europeans, Foreigners, Socialists or Witches.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Your last line sums it up best. The world isn’t the same now as it used to be, on virtually any level. Even 30-35 years ago a fairly average salary meant you could buy a property of some description, and a decent salary meant you could do that while the wife stayed home and raised the kids etc. Almost anyone could just get a job down the road, local businesses were the norm, and everyone knew everyone else.

It is not like that anymore, and that’s why the older people are, the higher the chance they voted for Brexit. It is a sliding scale in terms of percentages vote to leave versus the age bracket they fall into. People voting for how things used to be, basing their logic on mantras such as “well it worked just fine when I was younger”, and quite often not being in touch with the world around them. An awful lot of people voted for Brexit because they’re scared of a world they no longer understand or feel they have a say in. That’s why the word ‘control’ was a master stroke. Take back control. Take back that feeling of knowing what is going on. Show the world that you feel is leaving, or has left you behind already, that you are valuable and should be listened to. Take it back. Take everything you remember, and everything you used to feel was familiar, back. Take back control.

We can talk about it all you want, but it’s that simple. Brexit is the result of people not feeling as though they understand or matter in the world around them anymore. The people who got older and retired or are approaching that period of life, the residents of the coastal towns that once thrived and are now rusting wastelands, the people in the northern outposts who have seen industry and local trade close down and reduce their towns to a series of abandoned factories and boarded up pubs and shops. They didn’t feel they had a place anymore, and by Christ, they were going to make sure they put that cross in that box on polling day. Because that was all they had.

They took back control of a world they feel has left them behind or cut them out, and that’s why they aren’t letting go no matter what. This is everything. This MEANS everything. With no Brexit, there is virtually no point. Because at least this is theirs - this is their legacy, their choice, their voice - and as such this is their world. Whatever follows, whatever happens, it is theirs. The real tragedy is that the people who voted for Brexit because they didn’t recognise the world anymore won’t recognise what follows either.
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Mmm I think that is an insult to many who voted leave (more than 50% of those who voted?)
I think that people voted for a whole range of reasons.
 
Paul Cannell said:
In actual fact, it was the Tories wot done it.

"The European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR)[1] is a Eurosceptic,[12][13][14][15][16] anti-federalist[11][12][17] political group in the European Parliament. The ECR is the parliamentary group of the Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe (ACRE) European political party (formerly known as the Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists), but also includes MEPs from four other European parties and thirteen MEPs without European party affiliation. The group focuses on reforming the European Union (EU) on the basis of Eurorealism[18] as opposed to total rejection of the EU (anti-EU-ism).[19][20]

The ECR was founded around the Movement for European Reform after the 2009 European elections at the behest of British Conservative Party leader David Cameron. Currently it is the fifth-largest group in the European Parliament with 62 MEPs from 15 countries."

You can may be able to find that text in Wikipaedia.

Still, thanks for the taste of the future, when everything Little England caused to go wrong at Brexit will be the fault of the Europeans, Foreigners, Socialists or Witches.
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And to make ourselves even more marginalised, we went and made the Brexit party our biggest representative in the EU parliament. Its akin to asking hunt saboteurs to ride out with the hounds #facepalm.

And in any case...as many keep saying until they are blue in the face (with gold stars circling their heads)...we don't get anything imposed on us...we are an equal partner in the process when it comes to directive proposals and authoring and our brightest and best legal experts are part of that process. We're also a major part of the plethora of Technical Working Groups that do the real nitty gritty that result from them, again sending our brightest and best technical leads to work collaboratively with other member states. It is about consensus, cooperation and compromise to find the best solution. This is how EU democracy works. We, as all member states have the right to veto, to vote against it.

Answer me a simple question: In all those years that the big bad nasty bully that is the EU has been imposing all these unspeakable laws on our great embattled nation, how may times have we voted against them or used our veto?

The answer is just a click away...
 
Foley said:
Mmm I think that is an insult to many who voted leave (more than 50% of those who voted?)
I think that people voted for a whole range of reasons.
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It may not describe all leave voters, but I reckon it might describe several more than the c650k that is all that would be required to flip the vote.

I'd also be interested to know the reasons why the 12.4 million didn't bother.
 
Manorlounger said:
The lower order refers to the positioning of British Euro MPs. Without membership of one of the larger grouping within the EU, political influence is minimal.
This being the case it is then easy to understand that policies within the EU will be more favourable towards those nation parties forming the mentioned political grouping.
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Specifically; what have they taken and what have they rejected?

How has this affected us?
 
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