HayfieldYellow
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@HayfieldYellow ............. our economic recovery since 1975 is down to being in the EU? Jeez that is stretching things a bit. Nothing to do with advances in technology, working practices etc etc?
I didn't say that our economic recovery was wholly down to being in the EU. I'm a Remainer, I leave the one-cause-one-effect binary narratives to the Brexiters. But the recovery happened while we were in the EU, so that's hard to square with the idea that EU membership somehow inhibits our economic growth (see Gary Baldi above). Brexiters frequently complain that life was better before we joined, but you're saying things have improved. You can't have it both ways.
Even 10 year old you may have understood the narrative of the `75 campaign that "trade is good.....join up" ........... you know, a bit like writing stuff on a bus! Had it remained (see I can say the word) as a European trade agreement then this conversation would never be taking place.
Either the public was deceived in 1975, or it wasn't. You've acknowledged that the political aspects of the EEC were discussed in 1975. The first page of the Treaty of Rome talks about "ever-closer union", and political co-operation was widely used as an argument by the No campaign. Anyone unaware of it can't have been listening. But you're still claiming that people weren't aware of it. Again, you can't have it both ways.
This fond Brexit idea that the British public was misled in the 1970s is no more than a conspiracy theory - a rewriting of history. The British public knew about the political aspects of the EU, and the majority of them voted in favour regardless. You talk as if there's been a huge and irresistible movement among the British public towards Euroscepticism since, and I don't think that's true: the ardent Eurosceptics are still the same noisy minority. You got lucky in 2016: aided by a biased popular press, a lacklustre campaign by the Remain side, the public's ignorance of how the EU actually operates and their eagerness to give David Cameron a bloody nose, you just about managed to scrape together a wafer-thin majority, at one point in history, for some sort of undefined Brexit from the softest to the hardest. You can't even speak for the 51%, let alone the 48.
Maybe take broader view of why "we" want to be away from the potential storm that will effect all the member states of the EU.
Yada yada. This is just Brexit's own "Project Fear". You've been predicting the collapse of the EU for 40 years and we're still waiting. Besides, it the EU fails (whatever that means) we'll be impacted anyway.
11.00pm Friday 29th March 2019 ................
Spare me the pointless triumphalism. Sure. You "won" and we will (probably) leave in March. What have you actually won though? The UK will be a little bit shitter if we can cobble together a deal, and a great deal shitter if we don't. I don't think you will much enjoy your "victory" when it happens.
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