Transfer Window January 2024 Transfer Window Thread

[Royalstandard74]

No, because we released him.

I thought we released him with future interest? Or am I thinking of a different player we released?

 

[Marked Ox]

So we are 13 years into our current academy structure which over that period must have cost a substantial sum to run but frankly with little financial or playing return.
How do you calculate the income from player sales (of academy graduates) in the past year as £400k?
Which other academy graduates would you say could be regarded as established members of the first team squad currently.
Finally, at what point in the future do you see 5 or 6 academy graduates as established first team squad members. I doubt that is likely in the the next 10 years if at all.
Isn’t the truth of the matter that for clubs like ours, the cost of running an academy is uneconomical as with a very few exceptions the ability to attract potential is non existent.

We've sold Baptiste, O'Dowda for good money who were in our Academy. The £400k will be compensation from age group players moving to PL/Category 1 Academies under the terms of EPPP (or whatever it is called), not Academy graduates.

Jack Stevens and Sam Long have made lots of appearances for the first team.

We got a hugely talented player in Goodrham who has real potential and therefore value. GO'D may or may not make it.

 

[Left Wing Cross]

I thought we released him with future interest? Or am I thinking of a different player we released?

Jodi Jones had a 1+1 deal with us but I don't think we picked up the option, which would have made him a free agent

 

[Swaby39]

Surprised Browne is even up for debate - it’s been a poor signing whatever way you strip it down. Huge shame as I’m sure with the right coaching and less injuries he could be lethal. But availability has been an ongoing issue with long spells on the sidelines and even when he plays, he just isn’t that effective. The worry now is he’s going to have to massively adapt his game to protect his body which might negate the one thing he has to offer. Sadly, I’m not sure he is a clever enough player to do that - he’s yet to realise he’s quick and strong enough to go around players than bulldoze over the top of them.

I wouldn’t be triggering his extension. In actual fact if money were no object and I had to choose one of him or Murphy to stay on as our resident basket case next season, I’d choose Murphy based on the form of this season as he is a far, far greater threat. Des seems to have Murphy’s buy-in. But let’s say it as it is, carrying Murphy, Edwards and Browne in to next season whatever league we’re in is absolutely not an option. One at most and all should be made to rigorously prove their fitness through pre season before anything is signed.

 

[Oufccraig45]

Have we gone back in for Marriott

 

[WuTang]

But let’s say it as it is, carrying Murphy, Edwards and Browne in to next season whatever league we’re in is absolutely not an option.

Excellent point. I think it really is a case of these three showing us a reason to keep them for the rest of this season, as we absolutely cannot keep all three. I'd only want us keeping one of those three due to too much time on the sidelines.

 

[MustardYellow]

- Clubs receive funding for academies from the premier league, but it does take time to build, has a correlation with performance of the first team (when it comes to recruitment) and does involve financial commitment from the club also. To date I would guess it has been broadly cost neutral with player sales. What you can see year on year is a progression of the number and quality of talented players in the system. It is not a guarantee but Exeter City have made £10-£15 million with the sale of two academy players so there is also an aspect around investment risk/reward.
- Players sold in younger age groups to premier league clubs with defined EPPP compensation
- Currently only the ones who are obviously.
- I think I said season 25/26 but that may also depend on what division we are in.
- No

I wonder how much our academy/youth setup would need to make from compensation and sales over say a 5 year period for it to be profitable. If we made £400k from it last year, that's around £33,000 a month. You'd imagine it costs a lot more than that to run.

 

[aDesBuckinghamstyleofplay]

Have we gone back in for Marriott

Being transfer listed i would think so depends on the fee im sure they want over 250k im sure it would be a similar fee for goodwin also if not more

 

[MJB]

I thought we released him with future interest? Or am I thinking of a different player we released?

Is it perhaps Jack Stevens you're thinking of?

 

[captainox]

I thought we released him with future interest? Or am I thinking of a different player we released?

You can't release anyone with future interest as releasing them, makes them a free agent with no contractual link to you, and no transfer negotiations between clubs.
We had an option on Jones, that we did not take. Releasing him in the summer, and he then signed for Notts as a free agent.

Jack Stevens moved to Cambridge on a full transfer (but with the value of £0) and we maintained a future interest - believed to be a chunky sell on clause.

 

[Oufccraig45]

Being transfer listed i would think so depends on the fee im sure they want over 250k im sure it would be a similar fee for goodwin also if not more

I think we will get him for less than 250k for some reason probably being wages wants him of there books but previously we offered more so it would be there loss

 

[Foley]

- Clubs receive funding for academies from the premier league, but it does take time to build, has a correlation with performance of the first team (when it comes to recruitment) and does involve financial commitment from the club also. To date I would guess it has been broadly cost neutral with player sales. What you can see year on year is a progression of the number and quality of talented players in the system. It is not a guarantee but Exeter City have made £10-£15 million with the sale of two academy players so there is also an aspect around investment risk/reward.
- Players sold in younger age groups to premier league clubs with defined EPPP compensation
- Currently only the ones who are obviously.
- I think I said season 25/26 but that may also depend on what division we are in.
- No

Agree.
I am.not sure if Arthur Turner is advocating us simply closing down the Academy?
It takes time. We seem to have had 3 to 4 young players go to PL clubs and of course Goodrham, Baptiste, O' Donkor have been mire regular first team players ( if we sold Goodrham how much wouod he be worth ?)
If you see the success of Reading in bringing very good Championship players through the academy, this is something I assume we will be aiming for in time.

And it isn't just for the profit we will hopefully make ( and getting 4 to 5 players in the first team at a time). Isn't it great seeing local players in.the first team?
Presumably it generates lots of additional interest in the community, which in turn means more people becoming Oxford United supporters.

 

[North Wales Yellow]

Seem pretty confident Charlton end that they will end up signing Goodwin. That may well be the case, the interesting point for me is that we still seem to be flying under the radar as to how deep our pockets are and the wealth of our owners

 

[greatunclekip]

We missed out big time with Jones. Imagine it will be a fairly substantial fee if it happens. Still got a year and a half left on his contract at Notts.

Anyone with even a smidgen of football knowledge could see it was non-football related with Jones. To not even have him on the bench, come on!

It was Karl at his vindictive worst.

 

[greatunclekip]

Seem pretty confident Charlton end that they will end up signing Goodwin. That may well be the case, the interesting point for me is that we still seem to be flying under the radar as to how deep our pockets are and the wealth of our owners

Surely the opposite? And will be until we actually land one of these fabled targets.

 

[aDesBuckinghamstyleofplay]

Surely the opposite? And will be until we actually land one of these fabled targets.

I think we will get him - not that far to Relocate and surely looking at the table and agents will know oxford are wanting a Striker would like to think we get it done time for our board to dig into their pockets

 

[dickwalton1964]

Surely the opposite? And will be until we actually land one of these fabled targets.

Yes, I think we really need to blow a rival out of the water (Charlton in this instance) and land a striker of repute (Goodwin) on a permanent before we can really talk about deep pockets and proper statements of intent. Up to this point, we are a club in the mix but not quite getting over the line with this sort of signing - maybe a bit reflective of how we are generally as a club. 15 days left to buck that trend and become proper players in this race for the automatics.

 

[Osei Yaw]

Excellent point. I think it really is a case of these three showing us a reason to keep them for the rest of this season, as we absolutely cannot keep all three. I'd only want us keeping one of those three due to too much time on the sidelines.

Dropping Browne, Murphy and Henry at the end of the season will also do our wage bill the world of good.

Henry is done. If Browne and/or Murphy are still here next season then it'd have to be on significantly reduced wages for it to be worth our while.

Better still would be for us to spend that money on up and coming players who can offer you the minutes and a resale value, rather than continuously hoping for a miracle of science to restore Browne and Murphy to their peak.

The club are obviously looking at Edwards with a view to next season, I can't help but think (and hope) that means Ed and Des have already made a decision on Browne and Murphy. Surely they are both clever enough to know you can't have all 3 in a squad (at least on current wages) and 'hope for the best'.

 

[holdsteady]

Dropping Browne, Murphy and Henry at the end of the season will also do our wage bill the world of good.

Henry is done. If Browne and/or Murphy are still here next season then it'd have to be on significantly reduced wages for it to be worth our while.

Better still would be for us to spend that money on up and coming players who can offer you the minutes and a resale value, rather than continuously hoping for a miracle of science to restore Browne and Murphy to their peak.

The club are obviously looking at Edwards with a view to next season, I can't help but think (and hope) that means Ed and Des have already made a decision on Browne and Murphy. Surely they are both clever enough to know you can't have all 3 in a squad (at least on current wages) and 'hope for the best'.

Henry is obviously gone (wait for someone to say put him on the coaching staff now) but I hope its the same with the other two, you have to have higher standards than what Browne and Murphy are able to give you, even on cheap deals where is the value? With Edwards added as well, a player with no real history of playing a lot we are carrying a lot of attackers but still light there due to how little we get out of so many of them.

 

[Royalstandard74]

Is it perhaps Jack Stevens you're thinking of?

Ah, could be, I remember we had that option on a player but couldn't remember who.