Away Match Day Thread 22/7/2023 PS Friendly: Bristol City v OUFC

[Swaby39]

So I do have ‘inside’ knowledge of Brown’s coaching ability and he is regarding as a very good GK coach. Unfortunately fans judge his coaching by his performances when he was a player.
He coached the keepers to how the managers wanted to play. It isn’t Brown’s fault that Eastwood isn’t a keeper that can play out from the back, that is just the keeper Eastwood is and it has never had to play out from the back until now then it’s the old saying of ‘you can’t teach an old dog new tricks’.

Eastwood was excellent up until his confidence was shot after a couple of mistakes and Steven’s was an excellent keeper up until his illness (Villa even wanted to pay money for him). Neither of those things are Brown’s fault.

Highly regarded by who and at what level? Top and bottom of it is that he’s just been sacked by a league one manager.

If it were all the fault of the keepers at his disposal, why hasn’t he been given the chance to work with Beadle?

You’re right in that Eastwood has never been a good distributor but Stevens was OK at one stage and got worse. But both got progressively worse with the gloves. Eastwood seemed to concede from the same thing on a loop last season. He may have his limitations but Brown has to take a lot of accountability.

 

[Joey]

Unfortunately fans judge his coaching by his performances when he was a player.

Yes, how unfair. What should we be judging him on? A decade is long enough to improve a couple of keepers surely?

As an aside, and I'm not asking for names, but do you have any inside knowledge that some members of staff or players aren't up to it? Not having a dig but I remember a similar statement last year when people were pointing out that Robinson seemed to have fallen out with a load of players and you rubbished each one individually. It comes across that any 'inside knowledge' is always something the club would like to be put out there.

I'll be interested to see where Brown turns up next if he stays in the game. Are you expecting him to find another job at this level or go up to the Championship?

 

[Mellowyellow]

Depth is a concern.

Just like last season, as well as the square pegs in round holes, and 30 year olds looking for a last pay cheque.
All sounding very familiar.

 

[battman]

Doubt many people have knowledge of the ability of individual coaches but he was here over a decade and none of our keepers have had any sustained improvement in that time despite obvious weaknesses and most have regressed.

No insight into the hiring process either but he got the job having been in the building already as a player which doesn't scream going through a thorough process.

If he was here for over a decade and was used by five different managers, would he be as bad as people are saying?

Also I’d challenge keepers not improving. Eastwood was one of the best keepers in this division at one point, he helped bring Stevens through which led to PL interest, and Max Crocombe came through who’s now at Burton.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Highly regarded by who and at what level? Top and bottom of it is that he’s just been sacked by a league one manager.

If it were all the fault of the keepers at his disposal, why hasn’t he been given the chance to work with Beadle?

You’re right in that Eastwood has never been a good distributor but Stevens was OK at one stage and got worse. But both got progressively worse with the gloves. Eastwood seemed to concede from the same thing on a loop last season. He may have his limitations but Brown has to take a lot of accountability.

Highly regarded by league 1 coaches along with the GK coaches I’ve spoken to in the championship.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

Highly regarded by league 1 coaches along with the GK coaches I’ve spoken to in the championship.

In fairness, you consistently use that line about KR too - and he's sh*te.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Yes, how unfair. What should we be judging him on? A decade is long enough to improve a couple of keepers surely?

As an aside, and I'm not asking for names, but do you have any inside knowledge that some members of staff or players aren't up to it? Not having a dig but I remember a similar statement last year when people were pointing out that Robinson seemed to have fallen out with a load of players and you rubbished each one individually. It comes across that any 'inside knowledge' is always something the club would like to be put out there.

I'll be interested to see where Brown turns up next if he stays in the game. Are you expecting him to find another job at this level or go up to the Championship?

Do you judge Manning by his playing career?

As for ‘inside’ knowledge then yes I do know of coaches who have been seen as not good enough but have kept jobs.

As for Brown and past Robinson comments, it’s more of how they are seen within the game rather than just the club.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

In fairness, you consistently use that line about KR too - and he's sh*te.

I’ve just posted but will repeat, within football circles, Robinson is still seen as a very good coach at this level. The last 12 months has certainly damaged his reputation though with regards to being given a managers title.

 

[Swaby39]

Highly regarded by league 1 coaches along with the GK coaches I’ve spoken to in the championship.

And none of them reached out to rescue him from Karl Robinson who kept feeding him crap goalkeepers to work with? Somehow it all stinks a bit. I think if he were as well regarded as you say, Manning would’ve given him the opportunity to work with Beadle. But having watched him prepare his goalkeepers for 10 games at the end of last season, he’d seen enough.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

And none of them reached out to rescue him from Karl Robinson who kept feeding him crap goalkeepers to work with? Somehow it all stinks a bit. I think if he were as well regarded as you say, Manning would’ve given him the opportunity to work with Beadle. But having watched him prepare his goalkeepers for 10 games at the end of last season, he’d seen enough.

Manning wanted to bring in his own man, not unusual for a new manager. I suspect by the start of next season we will see more long term staff leave if not sooner.

 

[Scotchegg]

Highly regarded by who and at what level? Top and bottom of it is that he’s just been sacked by a league one manager.

If it were all the fault of the keepers at his disposal, why hasn’t he been given the chance to work with Beadle?

You’re right in that Eastwood has never been a good distributor but Stevens was OK at one stage and got worse. But both got progressively worse with the gloves. Eastwood seemed to concede from the same thing on a loop last season. He may have his limitations but Brown has to take a lot of accountability.

He wasn't sacked. Most coaching staff are on year to year deals. He was let go to allow Manning to bring his own man in, which is entirely reasonable and predicted from the offset.

Once again we have the unnecessary need to coat off players or staff when they're released or replaced. We are a league one side that was nearly relegated, so of course there are better players and staff around, and I'm pleased that we're looking to improve.

But the constant running down of people is beyond tiresome.

 

[TailsWeWin]

He wasn't sacked. Most coaching staff are on year to year deals. He was let go to allow Manning to bring his own man in, which is entirely reasonable and predicted from the offset.

Once again we have the unnecessary need to coat off players or staff when they're released or replaced. We are a league one side that was nearly relegated, so of course there are better players and staff around, and I'm pleased that we're looking to improve.

But the constant running down of people is beyond tiresome.

“He was let go.” Semantics, then, Scotch.
He was sacked.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

“He was let go.” Semantics, then, Scotch.
He was sacked.

Staff don’t get ‘sacked’ when they are moved on. It’s not like a normal industry.
Myself and a lot of other staff were told once that we no longer had contracts for the next season as a new manager was coming in and he was bringing in his new staff. I don’t and never have viewed that as being sacked, it’s just part of football.

 

[Swaby39]

Manning wanted to bring in his own man, not unusual for a new manager. I suspect by the start of next season we will see more long term staff leave if not sooner.

It’s a bit more unusual to do it after 3 or 4 months of working together. That’s pretty suggestive. It would’ve been very logical to keep Brown, for many reasons, if he was up to the standard Manning required. He’s had a really good look at him and not only got rid of him but also displaced the two keepers that worked with him the longest. Ouch.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

Staff don’t get ‘sacked’ when they are moved on. It’s not like a normal industry.
Myself and a lot of other staff were told once that we no longer had contracts for the next season as a new manager was coming in and he was bringing in his new staff. I don’t and never have viewed that as being sacked, it’s just part of football.

"It's not you, it's me".

 

[Scotchegg]

“He was let go.” Semantics, then, Scotch.
He was sacked.

Did he get severance pay? Was there a formal disciplinary hearing following performance managing processes?

Of course not.

His contract finished. It wasn't renewed. It happens all the time in football.

He wasn't sacked.

 

[OX14]

“He was let go.” Semantics, then, Scotch.
He was sacked.

No he wasn't offered another years contract. There is a difference.

 

[Scotchegg]

It’s a bit more unusual to do it after 3 or 4 months of working together. That’s pretty suggestive. It would’ve been very logical to keep Brown, for many reasons, if he was up to the standard Manning required. He’s had a really good look at him and not only got rid of him but also displaced the two keepers that worked with him the longest. Ouch.

I don't know why it's so difficult to understand. His contract ran until the end of June like pretty much everyone in the game. It wasn't renewed.

That's it.

 

[Swaby39]

I don't know why it's so difficult to understand. His contract ran until the end of June like pretty much everyone in the game. It wasn't renewed.

That's it.

If he was under contract another year, would the decision have been different?

 

[Jason N]

Maybe, as with players, left by mutual consent? I don't know, I'm not for or against either argument, btw.