Ex-Staff Karl Robinson

[Paul Cannell]

I can understand people posting on this thread, but I struggle to understand why anyone would read it.

 

[Scotchegg]

Your original post said 'no one is looking to control...'

I'd argue that comments such as (@Mad dog87 ) are trying to do exactly that.

They are expressing an opinion, nothing more. An opinion that you can choose to ignore.

However, if you really want to get angry about things that aren't happening you might want to follow Essex in the miscellaneous sector. It won't be long before he's talking about Muslims banning Christmas again!!

 

[SteMerritt]

The Mod team here aren't going to go all FoSB on you all and start deleting threads for no reason, rest assured.

If you aren't against posting per se, but believe this just isn't the right place to do it, setting up a pressure group to get it closed down won't work on here.

 

[JayOx88]

They are expressing an opinion, nothing more. An opinion that you can choose to ignore.

However, if you really want to get angry about things that aren't happening you might want to follow Essex in the miscellaneous sector. It won't be long before he's talking about Muslims banning Christmas again!!

I don't remember saying I'm angry about anything, so thank you for deciding that for me. I'd personally describe myself as more bemused and amused.

And it has definitely happened. Whether you reduce them all to just being opinions or not.

Mods - time to close this thread down methinks

Put an end to this thread please.

Whether they actually can influence is a different matter, but it's reasonable to say that they are looking to.

 

[Malc]

I have to confess that I have closed threads in the past when I should not have done.
Thinking back my reason for doing so was really my own interpretation of the posts and not trying to stay neutral. The threads were getting to my head and depressing me.
Herefor my apologies, naughty Malc. But NSB stuck by me and just reopened the threads.
My retirement as a mod was caused by those threads and my inability to just read and ignore. They depressed me more than was good for me. Once I realized that I informed NSB that he should find a replacement for me, which has happened.
So now what do I think about closing threads?

Never close them unless they are completely out of order.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

I have to confess that I have closed threads in the past when I should not have done.
Thinking back my reason for doing so was really my own interpretation of the posts and not trying to stay neutral. The threads were getting to my head and depressing me.
Herefor my apologies, naughty Malc. But NSB stuck by me and just reopened the threads.
My retirement as a mod was caused by those threads and my inability to just read and ignore. They depressed me more than was good for me. Once I realized that I informed NSB that he should find a replacement for me, which has happened.
So now what do I think about closing threads?

Never close them unless they are completely out of order.

100%

Ignore threads that you don’t like. Never close them.

 

[Mad Dog]

If people don't want to move on, they don't have to. And we don't have to stop having a dedicated thread if enough people want to engage in it. It may be the single view of that poster, but it's hardly being delivered in a way that says 'this is just my opinion' and then left at that - it's seeking to influence and assert to the forum what should happen.

It's pretty obvious that this is just my opinion, and I don't actually expect the thread to be closed, or to be able to influence such decisions in any way, or for people to stop commenting on it.

But it doesn't mean that I can't express my opinion that we've had more than enough time to discuss the old regime, having gone round and round in circles on the subject, we're just raking over old ground now, and should now be focusing on the future, with our new manager, and stop being so hyper focussed on the previous one, and that yes, in my opinion whilst there will be plenty of references to the previous regime whilst we transition to the new one, we shouldn't be giving that tosser any more attention via his own everlasting dedicated thread. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

If it were over, people would talk about it far less. The reality is, it’s far from over. We’ve hardly been born again and everything we observe of the next 2 or 3 seasons is Oxford United trying to correct where he went wrong.

If you come out of a longterm relationship, there is a certain amount of time spent healing emotionally and psychologically, whilst you process and fix the damage and fallout of that relationship and subsequent breakup, and you reflect on things and question where things went wrong, and who was at fault etc, it takes time, and in some cases certain relationships and breakups can take longer than others to get over. But you simply have to get over them, and move on regardless.

Sure, their name will pop up here and there when looking back, or comparing you new current situation to your previous one, and you'll even remember the good times, but you don't forever keep photos on the wall of that person, or pictures on your phone, or pour over previous text messages from them, or constantly talk about them and what they're doing with their lives. That would be rather weird, and would become tedious for those who have to hear it. It's over, it's in the past, they've moved on, and it's time you did the same, and planned for a new future, that they're not part of.

At some point you have to accept that for a multitude of reasons, things didn't work out, and that remaining focussed on that person is doing you no favours, and that the best thing is to just move on to pastures new, with new people in your life, and forget the previous people who made you so unhappy.

There are many managers we've had at our club, who we were glad to see the back of, who left us in a complete mess, but we would never dream of giving them so much attention so long after they've left, other than occasional references in the appropriate conversations, they were confined to history and we were glad to move on.

I make no apologies for wishing the same approach be taken for KR, but unfortunately some don't seem to be able to let go.

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

I have to confess that I have closed threads in the past when I should not have done.
Thinking back my reason for doing so was really my own interpretation of the posts and not trying to stay neutral. The threads were getting to my head and depressing me.
Herefor my apologies, naughty Malc. But NSB stuck by me and just reopened the threads.
My retirement as a mod was caused by those threads and my inability to just read and ignore. They depressed me more than was good for me. Once I realized that I informed NSB that he should find a replacement for me, which has happened.
So now what do I think about closing threads?

Never close them unless they are completely out of order.

This -^^^

And apologies malc I’m pretty sure I was one of the depressing ones.

But I’m not taking accountability like you bravely did I’m blaming it all on Karl for making me a depressing read

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

It's pretty obvious that this is just my opinion, and I don't actually expect the thread to be closed, or to be able to influence such decisions in any way, or for people to stop commenting on it.

But it doesn't mean that I can't express my opinion that we've had more than enough time to discuss the old regime, having gone round and round in circles on the subject, we're just raking over old ground now, and should now be focusing on the future, with our new manager, and stop being so hyper focussed on the previous one, and that yes, in my opinion whilst there will be plenty of references to the previous regime whilst we transition to the new one, we shouldn't be giving that tosser any more attention via his own everlasting dedicated thread. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

If you come out of a longterm relationship, there is a certain amount of time spent healing emotionally and psychologically, whilst you process and fix the damage and fallout of that relationship and subsequent breakup, and you reflect on things and question where things went wrong, and who was at fault etc, it takes time, and in some cases certain relationships and breakups can take longer than others to get over. But you simply have to get over them, and move on regardless.

Sure, their name will pop up here and there when looking back, or comparing you new current situation to your previous one, and you'll even remember the good times, but you don't forever keep photos on the wall of that person, or pictures on your phone, or pour over previous text messages from them, or constantly talk about them and what they're doing with their lives. That would be rather weird, and would become tedious for those who have to hear it. It's over, it's in the past, they've moved on, and it's time you did the same, and planned for a new future, that they're not part of.

At some point you have to accept that for a multitude of reasons, things didn't work out, and that remaining focussed on that person is doing you no favours, and that the best thing is to just move on to pastures new, with new people in your life, and forget the previous people who made you so unhappy.

There are many managers we've had at our club, who we were glad to see the back of, who left us in a complete mess, but we would never dream of giving them so much attention so long after they've left, other than occasional references in the appropriate conversations, they were confined to history and we were glad to move on.

I make no apologies for wishing the same approach be taken for KR, but unfortunately some don't seem to be able to let go.

I dunno, maybe they're the same kind of people who stalk their exes on social media for years after they broke up! That would make sense I suppose!

Can someone start a new thread like for the triangle, to summarize this post

 

[Mad Dog]

I have to confess that I have closed threads in the past when I should not have done.
Thinking back my reason for doing so was really my own interpretation of the posts and not trying to stay neutral. The threads were getting to my head and depressing me.
Herefor my apologies, naughty Malc. But NSB stuck by me and just reopened the threads.
My retirement as a mod was caused by those threads and my inability to just read and ignore. They depressed me more than was good for me. Once I realized that I informed NSB that he should find a replacement for me, which has happened.
So now what do I think about closing threads?

Never close them unless they are completely out of order.

Ah but what do you think about Karl Robinson? This is the KARL ROBINSON thread after all!

 

[RyanioBirdio]

There are many managers we've had at our club, who we were glad to see the back of, who left us in a complete mess, but we would never dream of giving them so much attention so long after they've left

I dunno, maybe they're the same kind of people who stalk their exes on social media for years after they broke up!

I don’t know many other ex-managers that would provoke people into such belittling and purposefully provocative comments towards others when they could easily ignore anything relating to the topic, either. So I guess you’ve kind of proven the point that he’s different and gets special treatment from all corners.

The sheer levels of wrongdoing at Oxford United that can be levelled at Karl Robinson compared to those before him is unparalleled. He poisoned the entire club and left it entangled in his disastrous and destructive personal life for good measure, rather than merely being crap at his job. He seized control of pretty much the entire club and drove it into the ground. Some people are more annoyed at him than they would normally be as a result, because it wasn’t a normal situation or a normal level of power and control that was afforded to him.

Ultimately, I ignore plenty of threads about things I don’t like or agree with, without feeling the need to comment let alone hope that they’re shut down just because I don’t like them. I don’t stand outside bicycle shops screaming about how useless they are because I don’t happen to own one, so I don’t see why anybody would ever be on this thread if they know it’s going to annoy them or they aren’t going to agree with it.

Talking about how people won’t move on only keeps the conversation going. This thread is never more active than when people start this nonsense. Anyone who actually wants it to go away wouldn’t pour petrol on it at all.

 

[Oufcrealist]

Robinson’s legacy lingers on and will for a while. It's still his squad and rightly or wrongly many of them will still be here next season.
We have always discussed managers when they have left, some for longer than others.
It is 100% the right thing to do in keeping this thread open.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

I certainly didn't read @Mad dog87 post as asking for this thread to be shut down. Some people are just expressing an opinion that maybe it is time to move on and look to the future rather than get so angry over the past.
If people still want to let him get under their skin then so be it. At the same time though, telling people that don't agree with this, should just ignore the thread and not post on it is surely doing the same thing as someone asking for a thread to be shut?!

I will dip in and out of this thread and comment at times as it does still amuse me that the very ones who couldn't stand to listen to his post match interviews, are the same ones still talking about him now.

People have different opinions, people should be allowed to express their opinion, some people you wont agree with or even like their opinion but no one should be shut down.

 

[Mad Dog]

I don’t know many other ex-managers that would provoke people into such belittling and purposefully provocative comments towards others when they could easily ignore anything relating to the topic, either. So I guess you’ve kind of proven the point that he’s different and gets special treatment from all corners.

The sheer levels of wrongdoing at Oxford United that can be levelled at Karl Robinson compared to those before him is unparalleled. He poisoned the entire club and left it entangled in his disastrous and destructive personal life for good measure, rather than merely being crap at his job. He seized control of pretty much the entire club and drove it into the ground. Some people are more annoyed at him than they would normally be as a result, because it wasn’t a normal situation or a normal level of power and control that was afforded to him.

Ultimately, I ignore plenty of threads about things I don’t like or agree with, without feeling the need to comment let alone hope that they’re shut down just because I don’t like them. I don’t stand outside bicycle shops screaming about how useless they are because I don’t happen to own one, so I don’t see why anybody would ever be on this thread if they know it’s going to annoy them or they aren’t going to agree with it.

Talking about how people won’t move on only keeps the conversation going. This thread is never more active than when people start this nonsense. Anyone who actually wants it to go away wouldn’t pour petrol on it at all.

Fair points, and I agree, KR has had a negative and destructive effect on our club, on such a level, that I think is the main reason I can't stand seeing him still being discussed so much, I can't stand the sight of him or his name, and just want to forget he was ever here!

But fair enough, if people want to continue discussing him, I can, and will, choose to ignore it.

And just for the record, the 2nd comment of mine you've highlighted, was an attempt at a bit of humorous banter to use as an example of the point I was trying to make, rather than an attempt to "belittle" anyone.

 

[bazzer9461]

Bazzer, you've had a reprieve!

 

[uptheus]

For those wishing to control what is and isn’t worthy of discussion on a public mesaage board, could they please let us know at what point we are banned from talking about specific subject matters? Is there a cut-off point that we should be aware of?

For example, if an ex-manager of ours, who only left within the last six months and has left us with a number of major issues which will, in certain contractual cases, affect us for years to come, is not legitimate cause for discussion, then just let us know.

And given that said manager still talks about us in the national media, could you please let him know please via a cease and desist. And also our local media who refer to him to repeatedly - please do write them with this censure information too.

Presumably we’re not also allowed to discuss the impact Kassam still has on the club as he left the club many years ago now.

And we can’t reminisce about, say, the life of Joey Beauchamp because we should all just move on and not talk about things from our past. f**k our history.

After all, football clubs aren’t about stories, individuals, opinions, or controversies which we like to voluntarily discuss. They’re about whatever you tell us to think and talk about.

Just let us know when the mass matchday programme burnings take place and we’ll dutifully join you.

So what exactly are you trying to say

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

They are expressing an opinion, nothing more. An opinion that you can choose to ignore.

However, if you really want to get angry about things that aren't happening you might want to follow Essex in the miscellaneous sector. It won't be long before he's talking about Muslims banning Christmas again!!

I believe you may have double backed on your unparked car

When the seagulls follow the trawler…

 

[arthurturner]

For those wishing to control what is and isn’t worthy of discussion on a public mesaage board, could they please let us know at what point we are banned from talking about specific subject matters? Is there a cut-off point that we should be aware of?

For example, if an ex-manager of ours, who only left within the last six months and has left us with a number of major issues which will, in certain contractual cases, affect us for years to come, is not legitimate cause for discussion, then just let us know.

And given that said manager still talks about us in the national media, could you please let him know please via a cease and desist. And also our local media who refer to him to repeatedly - please do write them with this censure information too.

Presumably we’re not also allowed to discuss the impact Kassam still has on the club as he left the club many years ago now.

And we can’t reminisce about, say, the life of Joey Beauchamp because we should all just move on and not talk about things from our past. f**k our history.

After all, football clubs aren’t about stories, individuals, opinions, or controversies which we like to voluntarily discuss. They’re about whatever you tell us to think and talk about.

Just let us know when the mass matchday programme burnings take place and we’ll dutifully join you.

I’ve no wish to control anything or tell anyone what they can or can’t do. I was merely expressing an opinion. Please continue to be angry if you want to. That’s your prerogative.
However, the implications of the last paragraph of your post are unacceptable.

 

[Charles]

You're often very measured in your posting and I always respect your views if not always agree with them.

However, no one is looking to control what people can and can't post about. A small handful have said about moving on, many would have already done so, many have clearly not and all views are valid.

The beauty of football is that we all start again with zero points in August, and there are many that will be focused on a completely new start with a new manager and several new players. Others will reflect on what could and should have been, or how we may still be held back by the events of last season.

It's pretty offensive to even imply that someone not wanting to discuss a divisive manager would want to erase the memory of Joey or so many others and I don't think that does your point any favours at all.

The club will always be bigger than any individual. Saying f**k Karl Robinson is nothing like saying f**k our history.

Sorry but without supporters there is no OUFC ! Some get involved with topics because they care ,the die hards the core supporters so have some tolerance and ignore posts you are not in complete agreement with , love one another man !

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

I’ve no wish to control anything or tell anyone what they can or can’t do. I was merely expressing an opinion. Please continue to be angry if you want to. That’s your prerogative.
However, the implications of the last paragraph of your post are unacceptable.

I can’t work this post out. Is it dry wit ?