Current Player #3 Ciaron Brown

YellowForever said:
I’ve won thousands on football accumalators, sometimes the same day & a few in a row, but then would have a bad run and lose that & more. So I said this year that I was going to ban myself & that enough was enough. When it stops being enjoyable and you get angry at losing. That’s when you know enough is enough. Has taken my life over for the last 10 years but glad I’ve said enough is enough now and even if we are playing badly, having a season ticket and going to the football every week with my mate & my dad has changed my life for the better & will in the future too.
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This is great to hear. I had my last bet in October 2013 and at the time I was in £'000s of debt and back living with my parents. Within 5 years I was debt free and married with a new baby (no previous relationships had worked partly due to my gambling related lies and being sketchy with money). We've now saved up enough to buy our own house and are still debt free apart from the mortgage.

Stick with it and don't think "one little bet will be okay" because it will drag you back in!

Edited to add that I completely agree with you on the big bookmaking companies. They are scum and will do anything they can get away with to make a profit. What should come out of this incident is a ban on betting on cards (amongst other fringe bets) because it's too easy for a single player or official to fix. But that won't happen because they're making too much money and football (and government) are too involved with the bookies. They'll just ban yet another player and pretend everything's okay. Just like allowing sweets and chocolates at every checkout and then wondering why so many people are overweight - temptation is hard for people to resist.
 
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Lost Marbles said:
This is great to hear. I had my last bet in October 2013 and at the time I was in £'000s of debt and back living with my parents. Within 5 years I was debt free and married with a new baby (no previous relationships had worked partly due to my gambling related lies and being sketchy with money). We've now saved up enough to buy our own house and are still debt free apart from the mortgage.

Stick with it and don't think "one little bet will be okay" because it will drag you back in!

Edited to add that I completely agree with you on the big bookmaking companies. They are scum and will do anything they can get away with to make a profit. What should come out of this incident is a ban on betting on cards (amongst other fringe bets) because it's too easy for a single player or official to fix. But that won't happen because they're making too much money and football (and government) are too involved with the bookies. They'll just ban yet another player and pretend everything's okay. Just like allowing sweets and chocolates at every checkout and then wondering why so many people are overweight - temptation is hard for people to resist.
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Thanks for the kind words mate, became hooked from about the age of 20, I’m now 34. Have gone through the same experiences as you in terms of being in debt but definitely coming out the other side now. Sometime it takes a while to realise but the realisation when you do, I don’t think I’ve ever had a better feeling tbh.
 
northstandboy said:
From The Times:
Concerns over FA Cup spot-fixing after investigation into Oxford-Arsenal tie

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In October the Stratford Town player Kynan Isaac received a ten-year ban after 14 bets were placed on him receiving a card during his side’s televised FA Cup first-round game with Shrewsbury Town on November 7, 2021.

As part of the Isaac investigation, the FA examined WhatsApp messages sent between Isaac, a former Reading academy player, and his friends in which he talked about getting a card to help “pay off the bills”.

That came three years after the Lincoln City defender Bradley Wood was banned for six years for intentionally getting booked during the club’s FA Cup run to the quarter-finals.
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The website for the English football association, the Emirates FA Cup and the England football team

Written Reasons Library - Want to know why a player or manager was suspended or a club was fined? Search our library of hearing decisions
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search for Isaac
Interesting to see the analysis the investigators go through.
 
This is absolutely black and white, no grey area. If Brown got himself deliberately booked, he's one step nearer to a red card in the actual match and a suspension in the longer term. He's weakening everything - our chances in the actual match, longer term suspension implications, not to mention the credibility of the club.

I hope he's innocent obviously but if he's guilty of one single thing that impacts on Oxford United's chances of getting a positive result then that's cheating and I hope the club then do the right thing and sack him. How good a player he's been this season is completely irrelevant.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
This is absolutely black and white, no grey area. If Brown got himself deliberately booked, he's one step nearer to a red card in the actual match and a suspension in the longer term. He's weakening everything - our chances in the actual match, longer term suspension implications, not to mention the credibility of the club.

I hope he's innocent obviously but if he's guilty of one single thing that impacts on Oxford United's chances of getting a positive result then that's cheating and I hope the club then do the right thing and sack him. How good a player he's been this season is completely irrelevant.
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100%
If it’s proven that he got booked on purpose then he should be sacked immediately.
 
It all reminds me of my military career….

“March the guilty bastard in!”

If you’ve served, you will understand..😉
 
Sounds like rubbish to me, blown up by a stupid tweet and a not unexpected yellow card (a lower league defender against a Prem attack!).

Let's hope it is sorted out quickly.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
This is unbelievable. Yesterday on the match thread I suggested that the referee David Coote by deliberately not playing sufficient added time at the end of the match potentially caused an incorrect and artificial outcome to the match for betting purposes and punters with 4-0, 5-0, 6-0 and 3-1 betslips would not be happy. He needed to be squeaky clean to not have the finger of suspicion wagged at him, and by not keeping proper time keeping he failed in his duty. Within just a few hours of me writing that without any implication at all just as an observation the game is under investigation for suspicious betting.

It takes 2 people for a yellow card to be awarded, the player in receipt and the person giving it.

As well as the yellow card incident I would suggest that there should be a serious investigation made into why the game finished too early at the desire of the referee, and whether the 3-0 scoreline was a 'popular' one, or whether the total yellow cards or total shots/corners/fouls already in the game at 90 minutes had already reached the upper end of the spot-bet range limit and to play another 10 minutes potentially jeopardised these winning bets so it would make sense to only play 2 minutes not 5-10.

The referee has made a rod for his own back with his time keeping to allow people to scrutinise him now, and as the actual person who gave the yellow card (he could have chosen not to, and he didn't need to, it was quite petty to penalise that and not the Arsenal crowd scene around him earlier) he's probably sat on the toilet this minute letting the world come out because this really does not look good for him at all. It is why a referee must apply the rules properly to make sure there can be nothing suspicious about anything they do. To me the 2 minutes added time looked 'suspicious' looking at the bigger picture and the betting markets that are all over these sort of events nowadays, I reported it yesterday because it wasn't right but never thought there could actually be something to it. Referees are fully aware of international betting markets on even the most minor of football matches across the world so there should be no excuse for shoddy timekeeping like we had Monday night because they know the effect the time played can have on a market. As a regular gambler on sports something didn't sit right with me regarding the match when it happened, and my suspicions are heightened now with this news.
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I think that is a really good point you have raised and I’ve never thought of it from this angle.

We often see matches have less injury time in games when the game is effectively over, Monday’s was the classic example.

However in the current world where everything is scrutinised, the ref has play the right amount of injury time. I think the refs are leaving themselves open to accusations of wrongdoing when they don’t. We’re not talking about children’s or Sunday league football here, across the bookies there would have been hundreds of thousands (millions?) of pounds bet / traded on the Ox game.

I’m sure the ref did play a reduced amount of time because the game was done but that action isn’t right. It’s another argument for there being a more transparent way of managing how long a game lasts.
 
Reading the Kynan Isaac commission reading they go into a lot of depth.
Skybet provided an analysis of all the bets on Stratford Town players to be carded.
Look at the betting history of the people placing the bets. eg average stake was £1.64, largest prior bet was £20, never bet on "to be carded" before, then placed 2 x £200 bets. Traced the IP address of where the bets were placed.
Find a WhatsApp group discussing the booking odds which could be dismissed as banter but the rest of the evidence was compelling.
Identify a friendship relationship between people placing the bets and the player.

Perhaps of more concern is that the "match fixing" part seems to be what provided the 10 year ban, rather than the player betting on other matches.
 
My son saw the odds and commented on how good they were considering the opposition and who he'd be up against and almost put a bet on when he's never bet on cards before. That's a factor too.
 
Before this came out spoke to a friend who bet
Oxford to win
Oxford to draw
And after seeing a betting tip / analysis in the Sportinglife.com bet CB for a booking

As a gambler you look for a value in any bet. The latter was seen by a professional analyst to be such.

Hoping Brown didn’t see it the same way
 
Coote is meant to ref Chelsea v Fulham tonight. To me there should be no way he is allowed to take charge of this or any other match until the betting investigation is over. Be interesting if he does take the game. If he does then it shows that the FA really have no integrity at all and would prefer to protect one of their own rather than let a serious allegation, of which the ref has to be a part, reach a fair and balanced conclusion. At the very least he needs to be retrained and re-educated that his timekeeping leaves a lot to be desired and to re-emphasise to him how far wide reaching his decisions can actually make. His timekeeping decision Monday night was at best naive or stupid, at worst something else with much bigger consequences.
 
OxfordNondie said:
Before this came out spoke to a friend who bet
Oxford to win
Oxford to draw
And after seeing a betting tip / analysis in the Sportinglife.com bet CB for a booking

As a gambler you look for a value in any bet. The latter was seen by a professional analyst to be such.

Hoping Brown didn’t see it the same way
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Exactly this. The best and most successful gamblers identify best value. I am often having to explain my own bets to people who just don't understand why I have put some money on something that the market considers a no hoper. When I explain I do my homework, I study it, I consider all the circumstances including the opposition, etc, if I then conclude that the price should be 8-1 but it is offered at 25-1 then I bet. If it is 8-1 I don't bet. Even if it wins at 8-1 and I don't collect it doesn't upset me at all because it has run to my expectations and whilst it would have brought a financial return by backing it even at the constricted odds offered, it wasn't good value and was higher risk than backing an Evens favourite somewhere. When it wins at 25-1 it can become quite lucrative, but you also have to accept that this type of bet can easily lose 24 out of 25 times too so when this happens you just break even at level stakes. The trick to good gambling is to find 3 or 4 out of 25 of these 25-1 overpriced value bets and then you are quids in at relatively low stakes. But it's no good relying on luck it needs dedication, hard work, study, and time to do this properly something I commit to do to make it long term profitable even if there are some months that are very lean. I do leave football well alone though because there are too many variables, too many subjective opinions, too many mistakes, and too many cheats in the game.

With regard this football match if all you are doing is following a recommended bet from a well renowned historic gambling site such as Sporting Life and enough people doing this triggers a suspicious betting investigation then there would be a horse racing investigation every day and the people who have bet on horses recommended by Hugh Taylor would be banned. If the recommendation was actually as a result of information from a very close source then there is a problem. Truth will definitely come out on this as there is no hiding place for these sort of things nowadays. At the moment it feels like our club's name is being dragged through the mud a bit though and is not something we want to be associated with and hopefully we aren't and neither is Ciaron. This should be concluded relatively quickly I would have thought.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
Coote is meant to ref Chelsea v Fulham tonight. To me there should be no way he is allowed to take charge of this or any other match until the betting investigation is over. Be interesting if he does take the game. If he does then it shows that the FA really have no integrity at all and would prefer to protect one of their own rather than let a serious allegation, of which the ref has to be a part, reach a fair and balanced conclusion. At the very least he needs to be retrained and re-educated that his timekeeping leaves a lot to be desired and to re-emphasise to him how far wide reaching his decisions can actually make. His timekeeping decision Monday night was at best naive or stupid, at worst something else with much bigger consequences.
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Pretty glad he stopped it early, only one team going to score more.
 
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