Transfer News Transfer Window Summer 21

[Marked Ox]

Players have been sold, and the high proportion of loans we had, gone back to their parent clubs. So far this season, Josh Ruffels, Robert Atkinson, Brandon Barker, Matt Taylor, Elliot Lee, Kelly, Shopido need replacing this early in the transfer window....and that's not a rebuild?

We have only sold one player. I'd suggest Sean Clare is the Liam Kelly replacement. Bodin will be a wide player replacement as well. As others have said Matt Taylor?

 

[NottsYellow]

Players have been sold, and the high proportion of loans we had, gone back to their parent clubs. So far this season, Josh Ruffels, Robert Atkinson, Brandon Barker, Matt Taylor, Elliot Lee, Kelly, Shopido need replacing this early in the transfer window....and that's not a rebuild?

Hold on, the planning for this season started last January when we bought McInally (spelling?) the centre half from Ireland. So one centre half in.
I believe we have Cooper back from Ireland, we have signed Williams and the geezer from PNE so 3 wide players/wingers in. That covers Barker & Shodipo.
And we have signed Maguane.
Sean Clare has come back into the squad.
So whilst 6 out we have already got 6 in + Mous might be fit to play.
To me that is quite good progress for first week of July. Although very disappointing to lose Atkinson.

 

[Swaby39]

Players have been sold, and the high proportion of loans we had, gone back to their parent clubs. So far this season, Josh Ruffels, Robert Atkinson, Brandon Barker, Matt Taylor, Elliot Lee, Kelly, Shopido need replacing this early in the transfer window....and that's not a rebuild?

You must know something I don’t on Taylor!

The majority of that list comprises of loans which are the most interchangeable players every season for every club - some get extend or sign on but the majority are a year and disappear. This is not a shock. Oxford are not at a disadvantage when every club continues to utilise the loan market like they do - it’s something every club has to manage. So that means everybody is rebuilding by your standards.

How many would we really want to keep? None of the loanees especially made themselves an essential or part of the ‘core group’ you’d ideally like to keep hold of. I’d argue most were disposable. That’s not to play down their contributions as some did just fine but I think the only one I’ve heard really wanted back is Barker which has also split opinions - I personally wouldn’t have any of them back (bar McGuane, of course) and would invite the chance to refresh them but maybe less of them. Change in the squad can be a good thing as well - a stale squad isn’t much better than a new one!

Ruffels and Atkinson do need replacing, absolutely, and that’s a tough job. But a forced change to 2 or 3 of your regular first choice XI is hardly a rebuild and we have just received a lump of cash to help us do that. Some are starting from scratch! Might check out their forums for some therapy ha!

 

[Foley]

The club have turned away offers from higher level clubs in the past. Brannagan Millwall comes to mind.
But if the offer matches the clubs valuation of the player then fine.
As Atkinson says in his interview. Once he heard who it was, he was keen for it to go ahead.
Good business all round, and a bonus if he’s a success with a good sell on clause.

Spot on

 

[battman]

You must know something I don’t on Taylor!

The majority of that list comprises of loans which are the most interchangeable players every season for every club - some get extend or sign on but the majority are a year and disappear. This is not a shock. Oxford are not at a disadvantage when every club continues to utilise the loan market like they do - it’s something every club has to manage. So that means everybody is rebuilding by your standards.

How many would we really want to keep? None of the loanees especially made themselves an essential or part of the ‘core group’ you’d ideally like to keep hold of. I’d argue most were disposable. That’s not to play down their contributions as some did just fine but I think the only one I’ve heard really wanted back is Barker which has also split opinions - I personally wouldn’t have any of them back (bar McGuane, of course) and would invite the chance to refresh them but maybe less of them. Change in the squad can be a good thing as well - a stale squad isn’t much better than a new one!

Ruffels and Atkinson do need replacing, absolutely, and that’s a tough job. But a forced change to 2 or 3 of your regular first choice XI is hardly a rebuild and we have just received a lump of cash to help us do that. Some are starting from scratch! Might check out their forums for some therapy ha!

Also it's worth mentioning that loan signings get done later in the window because that's when PL/Champ clubs will have a surplus of players they'll want to loan out, either to get off the wage bill or to get experience.

In recent years we've been making full use of the loan system (probably too much if honest), but even if we add, say, 3 loanees to the signings of a CB and LB as well as the transfers of McGuane, Williams & Bodin - and the return of Clare and Cooper - I think we're well stocked.

 

[Foley]

If it really is £2m straight up, plus a hefty sell on fee, then I'll hold my hands up, and admit, that's not too bad for a league one defender.

'Not too bad?
I reckon that is a very good fee for a L1 defender with around 40 games experience

 

[holdsteady]

Also it's worth mentioning that loan signings get done later in the window because that's when PL/Champ clubs will have a surplus of players they'll want to loan out, either to get off the wage bill or to get experience.

In recent years we've been making full use of the loan system (probably too much if honest), but even if we add, say, 3 loanees to the signings of a CB and LB as well as the transfers of McGuane, Williams & Bodin - and the return of Clare and Cooper - I think we're well stocked.

We will still be able to have 5 loan signings in the match day squad I assume (although the squad make up will be hard to guess until the FL can be arsed to tell anyone the actual number allowed) so if we get a permanent left back and centre half that leaves us a lot of room to exploit the loan market.

 

[ubermeistervonmeat]

'Not too bad?
I reckon that is a very good fee for a L1 defender with around 40 games experience

Exactly - what doi people seriously expect - we are a selling club and always will be - ffs Brentford are a selling club and always will be too - Benrahma, Watkins etc - yes they are at a higher level than us but they still have to sell - even Liverpool had to sell Coutinho a few years ago too - decent profitso what else could we seriously do

 

[Scotchegg]

Players have been sold, and the high proportion of loans we had, gone back to their parent clubs. So far this season, Josh Ruffels, Robert Atkinson, Brandon Barker, Matt Taylor, Elliot Lee, Kelly, Shopido need replacing this early in the transfer window....and that's not a rebuild?

Matt Taylor???

 

[Paul Cannell]

Bodin will be a wide player replacement as well.

Hall?

 

[Jolteon]

Matt Taylor???

I had heard there had been a soft enquiry about Matty Taylor from another L1 club (I want to say Charlton but maybe wrong, hopefully someone can confirm) So maybe MellowYellow heard the same. I was also told that the enquiry was met with a hard nah you're alright from both club and player.

Matty is going nowhere, he'll retire with us if he can

 

[Scotchegg]

I had heard there had been a soft enquiry about Matty Taylor from another L1 club (I want to say Charlton but maybe wrong, hopefully someone can confirm) So maybe MellowYellow heard the same. I was also told that the enquiry was met with a hard nah you're alright from both club and player.

Matty is going nowhere, he'll retire with us if he can

I think you're giving @Mellowyellow too much credit! He probably thinks that he remains on loan and didn't sign a contract last summer!!!

 

[m]

Hall?

Naughty.

 

[horseman]

You must know something I don’t on Taylor!

The majority of that list comprises of loans which are the most interchangeable players every season for every club - some get extend or sign on but the majority are a year and disappear. This is not a shock. Oxford are not at a disadvantage when every club continues to utilise the loan market like they do - it’s something every club has to manage. So that means everybody is rebuilding by your standards.

How many would we really want to keep? None of the loanees especially made themselves an essential or part of the ‘core group’ you’d ideally like to keep hold of. I’d argue most were disposable. That’s not to play down their contributions as some did just fine but I think the only one I’ve heard really wanted back is Barker which has also split opinions - I personally wouldn’t have any of them back (bar McGuane, of course) and would invite the chance to refresh them but maybe less of them. Change in the squad can be a good thing as well - a stale squad isn’t much better than a new one!

Ruffels and Atkinson do need replacing, absolutely, and that’s a tough job. But a forced change to 2 or 3 of your regular first choice XI is hardly a rebuild and we have just received a lump of cash to help us do that. Some are starting from scratch! Might check out their forums for some therapy ha!

Surely the idea is to turn that level playing field into your advantage?

as regards the loan players if we didn't / don't want to keep them then what the fuc* are we bringing them here for

so having to find replacements for loans as well as having to sell a player is not breaking up the squad?

Then we are faced with chasing and playing the numbers game and some fans get on the managers back when we're not off to a storming start

if people believe that's a sensible way to try and reach the promised land then whilst respecting an opinion it's not one i subscribe to.

if hoping to hit 6th spot and dicing with the play offs of lottery is a strategy then it seriously needs looking at because as i said above we have to turn a perceived level field into our advantage and that means top 2

if people want our model then they also need to accept that the conveyor belt will not always keep churning them out and adjust their expectations accordingly.

if you keep telling players come and sign and we wont stand in your way when higher clubs come calling then what really is the point as the aim is meant to be you will be one of those higher clubs and despite what some say it's an approach that hinders your chances on field so let's all stop this talk of reaching the Championship as being a realistic aim because we are more likely to be an Oldham type than Forest Qpr West Brom's of this world.

 

[Scotchegg]

Surely the idea is to turn that level playing field into your advantage?

as regards the loan players if we didn't / don't want to keep them then what the fuc* are we bringing them here for

so having to find replacements for loans as well as having to sell a player is not breaking up the squad?

Then we are faced with chasing and playing the numbers game and some fans get on the managers back when we're not off to a storming start

if people believe that's a sensible way to try and reach the promised land then whilst respecting an opinion it's not one i subscribe to.

if hoping to hit 6th spot and dicing with the play offs of lottery is a strategy then it seriously needs looking at because as i said above we have to turn a perceived level field into our advantage and that means top 2

if people want our model then they also need to accept that the conveyor belt will not always keep churning them out and adjust their expectations accordingly.

if you keep telling players come and sign and we wont stand in your way when higher clubs come calling then what really is the point as the aim is meant to be you will be one of those higher clubs and despite what some say it's an approach that hinders your chances on field so let's all stop this talk of reaching the Championship as being a realistic aim because we are more likely to be an Oldham type than Forest Qpr West Brom's of this world.

Who is aiming for 6th?

And why would players in on loan affect our chances of success?

I don't share your concerns for the loan system, but last seasons players have already left and nothing can change that. But if we're serious about making the top 2 then we have to look to bring in the best players available, and that includes loans from higher up the football ladder. Hull, Lincoln and Blackpool all relied heavily on loans last season. (Peterborough less so, but they had the money from Ivan Toney to focus on permanent deals) In fact, it's normally the teams that capitalise on the loanees that succeed from this league.

 

[TailsWeWin]

'Not too bad?
I reckon that is a very good fee for a L1 defender with around 40 games experience

£1.6 with 20%

 

[Jackinthebox]

I’m not really a fan of the loan market but I guess needs must and we have had some success.
I would much rather we developed our rising stars and filled our own squad with permanent signings.

Looking back at last season Blackpool, Lincoln and Doncaster signed some very impressive youngsters, who no doubt will benefit greatly from their experience. Also, Pompey signed Archie White on loan from Spurs, so there is some merit in it.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I’m not really a fan of the loan market but I guess needs must and we have had some success.
I would much rather we developed our rising stars and filled our own squad with permanent signings.

Looking back at last season Blackpool, Lincoln and Doncaster signed some very impressive youngsters, who no doubt will benefit greatly from their experience. Also, Pompey signed Archie White on loan from Spurs, so there is some merit in it.

Blackpool’s outstanding striker Simms was on loan. He looked like the guy who played a big part in their promotion. Id rather we’d signed our own players and we’ve made a good start this window, but I wouldn’t turn down a really good young attacking player. The main defenders need to be permanents I think.

 

[horseman]

Who is aiming for 6th?

And why would players in on loan affect our chances of success?

I don't share your concerns for the loan system, but last seasons players have already left and nothing can change that. But if we're serious about making the top 2 then we have to look to bring in the best players available, and that includes loans from higher up the football ladder. Hull, Lincoln and Blackpool all relied heavily on loans last season. (Peterborough less so, but they had the money from Ivan Toney to focus on permanent deals) In fact, it's normally the teams that capitalise on the loanees that succeed from this league.

So therefore the default should be keep your best players. Surely you usually aim to start the season with the squad from last season with the odd tinker. KR acknowledged we were weaker this past season than the 1 before does he get listened too? I find it odd that he gets all the flak yet nobody considers the turnaround most seasons.
With regards the loan system my feelings are well documented and if the likes of Barker Shodipo Lee were / are not seen as long term players for us then what was the point of them being here?
So if our manager feels we were weaker last season then it's logical that we find players that are better not recruit one's of similar ability as we have done with 2 of the 3 to date whilst weakening further by selling RA. Not forgetting that Sykes and Agyei appear not to be too enamored.

I recall when i queried certain players being allowed to leave that it was stated that x y z were already to replace them though not official why has that not been the case with Josh and Rob though?

as for aiming for 6th did KR not say ahead of the Play Offs that we were ahead of where we were expecting to be so if we've weakened our squad or at best not improved it how can we expect to be where it matters ie top 2?

 

[battman]

Surely the idea is to turn that level playing field into your advantage?

as regards the loan players if we didn't / don't want to keep them then what the fuc* are we bringing them here for

so having to find replacements for loans as well as having to sell a player is not breaking up the squad?

Then we are faced with chasing and playing the numbers game and some fans get on the managers back when we're not off to a storming start

if people believe that's a sensible way to try and reach the promised land then whilst respecting an opinion it's not one i subscribe to.

if hoping to hit 6th spot and dicing with the play offs of lottery is a strategy then it seriously needs looking at because as i said above we have to turn a perceived level field into our advantage and that means top 2

if people want our model then they also need to accept that the conveyor belt will not always keep churning them out and adjust their expectations accordingly.

if you keep telling players come and sign and we wont stand in your way when higher clubs come calling then what really is the point as the aim is meant to be you will be one of those higher clubs and despite what some say it's an approach that hinders your chances on field so let's all stop this talk of reaching the Championship as being a realistic aim because we are more likely to be an Oldham type than Forest Qpr West Brom's of this world.

What a mess of a post this is. One main point of loans is to be able to bring in young players from bigger clubs that you wouldn't have been able to sign permanently. Would we have been able to bring in McGuane last summer? No. Would we have been able to sign Roofe? No. Or Cadden, Browne, Holland, Martinez, Sinclair, Mowatt, Kane, Baldock or Kenny. Loans are an important part of a lower league club's arsenal, where you're essentially getting a player on a free for a season. To think that loans are essentially year-long trial periods for a permanent signing, then you've missed the point.

And every club in the EFL has to have some churn every season, so I'm really surprised you're going in for the club for having to replace our loan players and the players we've sold/released. We've been doing that every season since I can remember, where have you been all that time? (In case you don't believe me, here's what happened in 2009, where we released 8 and transfer listed 2: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/o/oxford_utd/8022872.stm Next season we won promotion.)

As for the last paragraph, the whole point is to attract better players to sign knowing that we have a very good track record of developing young talents and not getting in their way. I don't know how many times I have to say it: If we didn't have this model, we wouldn't have signed the quality of players we have. Which means we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the League One play-offs in the first place, so your whole schtick about the 'lottery of the play-offs' becomes a moot point if it's anchored to the failure of the club's model in your eyes.