Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

[uptheus]

In fairness, I've not seen anyone (on here) state that the playoffs will happen or are even likely to happen. At best, the more positive amongst us have said that it could happen if there was a significant improvement in performances, results, some astute signings and a lot of luck.

I remember '96 and we were in a worse position that seaaon after a rubbish 1995. After a great start to the 94/95 season we were beaten by Marlow in the FA Cup and barely averaged a point a game from Christmas onwards. 95/96 we were annoyingly inconsistent and sat midtable in January before putting together an incredible run that saw us promoted.

Could we repeat that? Unlikely. We had a much better team then, and a better manager. But it's not impossible and I'm glad that we're at least considering success even if only to build momentum and pride ahead of next season.

Or to help sell season tickets for next season!

 

[uptheus]

I've answered that! Stick for now, twist in the summer. I've said this a number of times (more than I've said that we'd definitely make the playoffs) so why do I have to justify my position?

Would you twist once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs e.g. before the end of the season if this was the case?

 

[TailsWeWin]

Would you twist once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs e.g. before the end of the season if this was the case?

As someone has pointed out, Scotchers’ logic is extremely questionable on this one!
Of course we’re not going to make the playoffs ( and even then it’s probably 12-1 against ish that we actually WIN them)
Most of us, it seems, can see the logic of getting rid of Robinson NOW. In the meantime I’ll guess that Scotchers will continue to sit on the fence.

 

[Carpy]

As someone has pointed out, Scotchers’ logic is extremely questionable on this one!
Of course we’re not going to make the playoffs ( and even then it’s probably 12-1 against ish that we actually WIN them)
Most of us, it seems, can see the logic of getting rid of Robinson NOW. In the meantime I’ll guess that Scotchers will continue to sit on the fence.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

The majority of us (myself included) are unhappy with the way things are going, and want KR gone, but this thread is going round and round in circles now, and it's getting f*****g tedious!

Personally, I think the results of this transfer window will give us more of an idea of the boards stance on KR's position at the club.

If they bring in nothing but a few loan signings until the end of the season, for me, it will suggest they may be simply looking to make sure we don't get relegated, and that they are looking to a future without KR next season.

But if they allow him to bring in a bunch of permanent signings, then that would suggest to me that they're planning on KR still being manager next season.

But the fact he's still manager for this transfer window, shows he ain't going anywhere this season, that much is obvious, and regardless of the fact that the majority of us will not be happy about that, it is what it is, so let's just get behind the team, and do our bit from the stands, to ensure that we're still at least a league one club next season. The rest is out of our control.

In the meantime, there's already enough misery in the world, so let's all lighten up a bit yeah? Life's too f*****g short!

Don't read it, then?

Not sure you understand what a forum is for, if not to discuss things like the first team manager.

 

[uptheus]

What’s others thoughts re; getting rid of Karl now e.g. during a transfer window compared to getting rid when it’s not mathematically possible to make the play offs? Just feel now could have a detrimental effect?

Personally, I would of relieved him of his duties last summer after the awful window last January when we were in a great position to get players in and push for the play offs/build for this season, but to mess it up again in the summer was unbelievable, hence getting rid earlier in the season when it was quite obvious we were repeating previous seasons e.g. poor start/high risk players etc.

I just feel we’ve got to stick at the moment to get through this window and see what happens, but once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs then it’s time to put him and us out of our misery.

Having said the above, and knowing that it’s very highly unlikely that we’ll make the play offs, I can see the argument to get rid now, but I would be concerned we could be pulled into a relegation battle, that’s if we’re not in one now with most of the club/board/management with their heads in the sand believing this isn’t the case.

What a shite situation we’ve allowed ourselves to get into, especially when you think where we were this time last year, and add to that knowing we could offload Hanson & Winnall last summer to strengthen further.

 

[Swaby39]

Seems Portsmouth may be about to pull the trigger, owners that make the tough decisions, novel idea

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610033135470923776

Not exactly the pinnacle of well-run football clubs though, let’s be honest. The Cowley’s are long-term project managers, if there is such a thing in football now. They’ve invested heavily in their vision only to drop them at the first real sign of ‘trouble’ - which is not how I would describe their position, Admittedly they’ve fallen below expectations there so far but I’d far rather we look at other clubs for our inspiration. Plymouth and Ipswich the obvious ones, but even further up the pyramid there are plenty. I couldn’t give a monkeys what Pompey are doing, they’re in as much of a mess as we are.

 

[Scotchegg]

Would you twist once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs e.g. before the end of the season if this was the case?



If the right people (manager and coaching team) are available then there would be some value to giving a new manager a few games to adequately assess the current squad. I'm not against changing managers, but we have to get the next move right and I'd hope that we're already looking at suitable candidates.

 

[Carpy]

Not exactly the pinnacle of well-run football clubs though, let’s be honest. The Cowley’s are long-term project managers, if there is such a thing in football now. They’ve invested heavily in their vision only to drop them at the first real sign of ‘trouble’ - which is not how I would describe their position, Admittedly they’ve fallen below expectations there so far but I’d far rather we look at other clubs for our inspiration. Plymouth and Ipswich the obvious ones, but even further up the pyramid there are plenty. I couldn’t give a monkeys what Pompey are doing, they’re in as much of a mess as we are.

Nobody is sat here holding Portsmouth up as the poster child of football clubs to aspire to, but they took action when needed

On another thread, I commented about how well run the likes of Plymouth are, that isn't debated, but Portsmouth had expectations, their management team were not meeting them, they've had enough time to mould the squad to their liking and ultimately, the Portsmouth leadership pulled the plug, the same is true of Oxford and Karl, only our leadership will not make the decision that is so blatantly required.

 

[battman]

What’s others thoughts re; getting rid of Karl now e.g. during a transfer window compared to getting rid when it’s not mathematically possible to make the play offs? Just feel now could have a detrimental effect?

Personally, I would of relieved him of his duties last summer after the awful window last January when we were in a great position to get players in and push for the play offs/build for this season, but to mess it up again in the summer was unbelievable, hence getting rid earlier in the season when it was quite obvious we were repeating previous seasons e.g. poor start/high risk players etc.

I just feel we’ve got to stick at the moment to get through this window and see what happens, but once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs then it’s time to put him and us out of our misery.

Having said the above, and knowing that it’s very highly unlikely that we’ll make the play offs, I can see the argument to get rid now, but I would be concerned we could be pulled into a relegation battle, that’s if we’re not in one now with most of the club/board/management with their heads in the sand believing this isn’t the case.

What a shite situation we’ve allowed ourselves to get into, especially when you think where we were this time last year, and add to that knowing we could offload Hanson & Winnall last summer to strengthen further.

Yeah I think we have to remember that we’re only 7 points above the relegation zone, so the last thing we’d need is to be dragged into that battle.

I’ve want Karl to go for a while, but seeing as he’s been given January by the board to make a few signings, it would probably be ineffective to sack him now. The January window plans would be in the toilet and you’d have to spend the time searching for a new manager rather than bringing in a handful of additions.

I’d say as soon as it becomes very very unlikely and we haven’t put a run together should the trigger be pulled rather than mathematically, as mathematically impossible could mean like 3 or 4 games to go and that wouldn’t be sufficient for a new manager to get their feet in the door.

 

[ljs]

Would you twist once it’s mathematically not possible for us to make the play offs e.g. before the end of the season if this was the case?

We are not making the playoffs, so the question should be: Do we twist as soon as it's mathematically impossible to get relegated?

No point him staying beyond then if we are only keeping him to avoid any possible relegation threat that may (very unlikely) happen with a change now.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Do you sack Karl Robinson now?

or..

Do you sack Karl Robinson when we are mathematically safe from relegation?

They’re the only 2 debates for me, nothing else.

 

[uptheus]

We are not making the playoffs, so the question should be: Do we twist as soon as it's mathematically impossible to get relegated?

No point him staying beyond then if we are only keeping him to avoid any possible relegation threat that may (very unlikely) happen with a change now.

Could be just as long for us to mathematically avoid relegation.

I actually think we’ll know quicker whether we’ll make the play offs or not than if we’ll avoid relegation.

 

[yellowbow]

As someone who would consider themselves a moderate and loyal supporter for thirty odd years, I would genuinely consider not renewing my season ticket next season if that scenario arose.

The Board should reflect very carefully on the coaching set-up next year should we fail to achieve promotion.

I don’t think the apathy being experienced this season will be repeated for a third season - many more folk just won’t bother anymore and might be lost for a long time.

Unfortunately I also believe we’ll be starting next season with KR still in charge. TW is already doing his best to take the heat off Karl with his ‘it’s all ok folks, promotion wasn’t important this season anyway’ message. That, along with the constant eye contact, thumbs ups, mutual applauding and occasional hugs between them all at games indicates to me that he’s definitely ‘their man’. He’s totally won them over some how. It’s already all got too cosy.

All I will say is if we’re not in the top 5 going in to October this year things will get very ugly. He can’t have another of his slow starts with GF then saying ‘don’t worry everyone, we were like this in ‘96 and look what happened’

 

[uptheus]

Unfortunately I also believe we’ll be starting next season with KR still in charge. TW is already doing his best to take the heat off Karl with his ‘it’s all ok folks, promotion wasn’t important this season anyway’ message. That, along with the constant eye contact, thumbs ups, mutual applauding and occasional hugs between them all at games indicates to me that he’s definitely ‘their man’. He’s totally won them over some how. It’s already all got too cosy.

All I will say is if we’re not in the top 5 going in to October this year things will get very ugly. He can’t have another of his slow starts with GF then saying ‘don’t worry everyone, we were like this in ‘96 and look what happened’

I think if this is the case then I can definitely hear them saying ‘we’ve been so unlucky with injuries’, oh and, ‘we only took a risk with one player’

 

[oufc1991]

So Pompey's board had the balls to sack their manager during a transfer window will it be a wise move or will it backfire your have to stay tuned to find out

Whilst over in Oxford their board don't have the balls to make a change because everything is going so well remember 96 it could happen again they've been soooo unlucky with signing injured players you will have to stay tuned to see how it all turns out in the end

 

[uptheus]

So Pompey's board had the balls to sack their manager during a transfer window will it be a wise move or will it backfire your have to stay tuned to find out

Whilst over in Oxford their board don't have the balls to make a change because everything is going so well remember 96 it could happen again they've been soooo unlucky with signing injured players you will have to stay tuned to see how it all turns out in the end

You could argue they’ve got the balls not to fire Karl at this stage, so I guess we’ll see how that plays out!

The bits that concern me about Grant and Tim are, they think we have been unlucky with injuries and that we only took a risk with one player (Murphy).

 

[oufc1991]

You could argue they’ve got the balls not to fire Karl at this stage, so I guess we’ll see how that plays out!

You could be right let's see

 

[ECYellow]

Richardson odds on for the Portsmouth job. That could well be another proven manager at this level, along with Critchley, that were available and are no longer an option for us when the axe falls.

 

[West Oxon U’s]

i wonder if the Portsmouth board would go for Manning.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610186277214732294