Matches Derby County (away)

[Rams94]

Which is going to be significantly more than we spend; and by most reports, we're going to be somewhere in the 4th-6th range when it comes to League One wage bills this year.

Not saying you can't afford it - I'm sure you can on your gates.

Just saying that you might not want to plead poverty much this season, because the financial gap between the Championship and League One is colossal, and even with all your restrictions, you're still going to be outspending almost everyone!
(Unless you're playing Wednesday or Ipswich, maybe.........)

I certainly won't be pleading poverty - and I agree there's there's a massive disparity between the leagues on paper

However every team is losing money hand over fist just to try and keep up and its going to go pop soon. Every club in the championship is crutched by parachute payments / a big player sale / an owners that's putting the money in.

We were in the position where we're clutched by an owner and he decided enough was enough with the losses. And that was when we were massively cutting back from the spending too.
Reading and Birmingham will go down this year - and want have the 'luxury' of being debt free like we now are.
However in the case of Blues; it couldn't happen to a nicer club

 

[tonyw]

I certainly won't be pleading poverty - and I agree there's there's a massive disparity between the leagues on paper

However every team is losing money hand over fist just to try and keep up and its going to go pop soon. Every club in the championship is crutched by parachute payments / a big player sale / an owners that's putting the money in.

We were in the position where we're clutched by an owner and he decided enough was enough with the losses. And that was when we were massively cutting back from the spending too.
Reading and Birmingham will go down this year - and want have the 'luxury' of being debt free like we now are.
However in the case of Blues; it couldn't happen to a nicer club

You'll find a lot of people around here saying the same thing about Reading!

They've been spending, what, 200% of their revenues on wages trying to keep up in the Championship for years? If this is when the bubble finally bursts, FFP kicks in and they go down, there will be a lot of happy people on this forum.......

 

[ChamonixOx]

I certainly won't be pleading poverty - and I agree there's there's a massive disparity between the leagues on paper

However every team is losing money hand over fist just to try and keep up and its going to go pop soon. Every club in the championship is crutched by parachute payments / a big player sale / an owners that's putting the money in.

We were in the position where we're clutched by an owner and he decided enough was enough with the losses. And that was when we were massively cutting back from the spending too.
Reading and Birmingham will go down this year - and want have the 'luxury' of being debt free like we now are.
However in the case of Blues; it couldn't happen to a nicer club

Dale Carnegie - How To Win Friends and Influence People: Mention on here that Reading will get relegated; couldn't guarantee the same for the Scum, could you? Forever in our shadow (league below), but conference football would be the icing on the cake!

 

[Rams94]

Dale Carnegie - How To Win Friends and Influence People: Mention on here that Reading will get relegated; couldn't guarantee the same for the Scum, could you? Forever in our shadow (league below), but conference football would be the icing on the cake!

Strange club Reading but they're minnows - if they didn't have a shiny stadium and played in an old ground you'd say they're smaller than Luton in the championship IMO

Reading I fear for as they could go massively wrong. The team is woeful with a woeful manager and terrible support - if they went into admin with massive debts they'd have to hope for Madejski to save them as no one really cares for them. They certainly aren't 'too big to fail'
Birmingham are ladened with debt but they would be saved with the size of the city etc, for context in how much of a mess Blues are in they've only sold 3.5k season tickets

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

As we've seen with Wigan, Derby, Bolton, Pompey and a couple of others the punishment for going into administration isn't harsh enough and doesn't last long enough in my opinion. Hopefully us and a few other clubs can serve up some sort of justice.

Wednesday rumored to be interested in 20k per week Kemar Roofe - madness!

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551231674452680705

 

[DCFC1959]

As we've seen with Wigan, Derby, Bolton, Pompey and a couple of others the punishment for going into administration isn't harsh enough and doesn't last long enough in my opinion. Hopefully us and a few other clubs can serve up some sort of justice.

Wednesday rumored to be interested in 20k per week Kemar Roofe - madness!

Didn't your own club exit Administration under a CVA when Kassam bought you? Unsecured creditors got a mere 10p in the £ and you didn't receive any points deduction or any other kind of punishment from the EFL?

Did you protest about this ridiculously lenient treatment at the time, or have you only recently developed principles?

 

[Lincoln.yellow1]

200 yellow balloons have arrived, we will hand them out in the concourse as we arrive then come kick off there will be yellow everywhere.........!
COME ON YOU YELLOWS.........!

 

[Robie]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551231674452680705

None of my 5 tickets have any markings on them distinguishing them from adult ,over 65 and children

 

[holdsteady]

Didn't your own club exit Administration under a CVA when Kassam bought you? Unsecured creditors got a mere 10p in the £ and you didn't receive any points deduction or any other kind of punishment from the EFL?

Did you protest about this ridiculously lenient treatment at the time, or have you only recently developed principles?

Wouldn’t have to be that recently as Kassam bought us 20 years ago, plus he then got us relegated to the conference so we hardly prospered from it. Oh and robbed our new ground from us which he didn’t bother to finish and has spent most of the following years screwing us over rent.

 

[Yellowarmy]

Didn't your own club exit Administration under a CVA when Kassam bought you? Unsecured creditors got a mere 10p in the £ and you didn't receive any points deduction or any other kind of punishment from the EFL?

Did you protest about this ridiculously lenient treatment at the time, or have you only recently developed principles?

To be fair. You have done your research lad

 

[Yellowarmy]

Wouldn’t have to be that recently as Kassam bought us 20 years ago, plus he then got us relegated to the conference so we hardly prospered from it. Oh and robbed our new ground from us which he didn’t bother to finish and has spent most of the following years screwing us over rent.

Again, you have done your research lad. Sold the Manor for 6m and pocketed the lot. Heard that from kassam himself

 

[brassmonkey]

Didn't your own club exit Administration under a CVA when Kassam bought you? Unsecured creditors got a mere 10p in the £ and you didn't receive any points deduction or any other kind of punishment from the EFL?

Did you protest about this ridiculously lenient treatment at the time, or have you only recently developed principles?

Kassam took us on a journey. The pts deduction would have just speeded things up.

 

[Colin B]

Didn't your own club exit Administration under a CVA when Kassam bought you? Unsecured creditors got a mere 10p in the £ and you didn't receive any points deduction or any other kind of punishment from the EFL?

Did you protest about this ridiculously lenient treatment at the time, or have you only recently developed principles?

No, we were not in administration at the time, but we were in financial difficulties, mostly due to trying to build a stadium that our owners didn't have the funds to complete. A certain fat Czech falling off his boat a few years earlier didn't help either. Kassam then entered the fray and proposed a Voluntary CVA, which the creditors agreed to. Small creditors were paid in full, secured and football creditors were paid in full, unsecured creditors got a small % in the £, and this was mostly Taylor Woodrow, the stadium contractors.

We therefore received no points deductions, as although it was an "Insolvency Event" it was not Administration. But what we did get was Kassam ripping the a**e out of the club, buying the Manor for £6m and selling it shortly afterwards for £12m, the profit from which he then used to "complete" the shithole we currently play in, which he owns and charges us £1.25m a year to play in. He also hived off all of the ancillary developments for himself, turning him from a millionaire into a multi millionaire. We were top half of the Championship when he arrived, and his actions took us down to the National League, so yeah we really got off scot free didn't we!

It's been a long (over 20 years) painful journey, and we're still climbing back from it now, so don't talk to me about f*****g leniency pal.

 

[Yellows1]

Anyway, back on the subject, where’s the best place to park near the ground please and any decent boozers?

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

No, we were not in administration at the time, but we were in financial difficulties, mostly due to trying to build a stadium that our owners didn't have the funds to complete. A certain fat Czech falling off his boat a few years earlier didn't help either. Kassam then entered the fray and proposed a Voluntary CVA, which the creditors agreed to. Small creditors were paid in full, secured and football creditors were paid in full, unsecured creditors got a small % in the £, and this was mostly Taylor Woodrow, the stadium contractors.

We therefore received no points deductions, as although it was an "Insolvency Event" it was not Administration. But what we did get was Kassam ripping the a**e out of the club, buying the Manor for £6m and selling it shortly afterwards for £12m, the profit from which he then used to "complete" the shithole we currently play in, which he owns and charges us £1.25m a year to play in. He also hived off all of the ancillary developments for himself, turning him from a millionaire into a multi millionaire. We were top half of the Championship when he arrived, and his actions took us down to the National League, so yeah we really got off scot free didn't we!

It's been a long (over 20 years) painful journey, and we're still climbing back from it now, so don't talk to me about f*****g leniency pal.

That's the sort of punishment that should happen when a club enters administration! These days you csn just enter administration, have points deducted, exit administration and crack on paying huge wages whilst leaving creditors out of pocket. Derby County 2.0, established 2022.

 

[tonto]

I wonder what happened to west stand ram who used to post on here aeons ago as an oxford fan. Also realise how rarely the two clubs have played each other!

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

I wonder what happened to west stand ram who used to post on here aeons ago as an oxford fan. Also realise how rarely the two clubs have played each other!

He’s a good friend of mine. Met him at university in 2000 and he’s now living in Nottingham and doing well. Still a derby season ticket holder. Amazingly derby and oxford have never played in that time.

He’ll be reading these messages. He’s a big soft spot for oxford, came to a fair few games, and knows our history well

 

[m]

Reading and Birmingham will go down this year - and want have the 'luxury' of being debt free like we now are.
However in the case of Blues; it couldn't happen to a nicer club

Hmm. You appear to be overlooking the fact that Reading are a massive bunch of twats.

 

[Rams94]

Anyway, back on the subject, where’s the best place to park near the ground please and any decent boozers?

I put some advice on a previous post (page 8 i believe)
The car parks near pride park are a nightmare to get out of - especially with an expected crowd of 29k plus

The nearest free matchday parking is the small estate at Deadmans lane (it ownt show on google maps but there is a cut through at the end of Deadman lane that takes you up to by the Merlin pub) , there is a sign out that says 'no parking for pride park stadium' - but its about as enforceable as asking fans to sit down on an awayday seeing as its a public street with no permit provision (Insert Reading fan joke here)

There is an away car park at the Derby conference centre and its about a 10 minute walk to the away end from there (also the away pub the navigation is situated here)- i assume the journey from Oxford will take you up the M1 then round the back of Pride Park on the A52.
Derwent Parade (Outside Derby's North Stand) is closed after the game and your quickest way out may be to head for the A38 - A50 - M1 rather than navigating that side of the city on after the match

If you dont mind a 30 minute walk - i would park on the streets near the Alexandra Hotel or the Smithfield - you'll be straight out from there with no traffic