Away Match Day Thread 15/01/2022 L1: Wycombe Wanderers v OUFC

[OUFCwaffle]

I am so pissed off that the homophobic chants came from our end. As someone who is LGBTQ+ I've in the past mentioned that homophobia was still a big problem in football (and was shouted down by a few for saying so) but OUFC was a club I always felt safe at. Every club has its fair share of dickhead fans, and Wycombe had a few too as we all saw, but to know that fans of MY club were spouting neanderthalic abuse that actively targets who I am... Massively upset.

I know the dickheads that did it probably won't see this, but in case they do, and I mean this as sincerely as I can muster, f**k everything about you and your close minded, homophobic bullshit and I want nothing more for you to be identified and banned from the game for life. C***s. Get the f**k out of my club.

Same goes for anyone who was violent/abusive or made anyone feel unsafe in any other way.

It's s**t mate. Just know that the fact so many of us are standing up against this kind of dinosaur behaviour shows that the world in general is moving in the right direction.

 

[Billy Billy]

fans are asking why haven't we signed anyone, how can he when he doesn't know if A B or C are going to stay?

He is the manager of a club pushing for promotion and yet has players Agents pissing this football club about

it amazes me that some fans (not syaing you) never see beyond "Todays" Result

Not sure what your point to me is, but I actually think your agreeing with me! Karl is obviously getting pissed off with players. Hence his comments to the media. Is this affecting performances, I don’t know. But all does not seem rosey, which is my original point.

 

[battman]

It‘s a bit outdated perhaps but it’s hardly offensive. Banter is often, nearly always, stereotypical and there won’t be a single fan making that chant towards the keeper genuinely believing what they’re chanting. It’s like the sex offender chant, we know Ainsworth or Akinfenwa aren’t sex offenders but it rhymes, it fits the chant and I thought it was amusing.

Life is too bloody short to take everything so literally and so seriously when it’s clearly said without substance, without meaning and without any real intent to offend.

Hahahahahaha. I can't believe people like this still exist. The chant wasn't claiming Stockdale is gay, but instead saying that wearing pink is 'gay' and therefore deserving of ridicule.

If they don't believe what they're chanting then why do it? They do it for laughs, trying to be funny by using a minority group as the victims. That isn't ok, and if you really think it's a bit of harmless banter I really feel sorry for you.

But here's the most important part: you don't get to decide on behalf of gay people whether it's offensive or not. The same way I don't get to decide whether certain chants are racist or not. As a white man, it's not my place to say, especially when there can be unwritten history, nuance, hidden meanings or micro aggressions behind certain words, terms or phrases that I say without thought.

Instead of dismissing people as being too easily offended, ask yourself why people might feel that way, and try to think from the minority's point of view. That way you might be able to gain a better understanding of what people go through when they hear chants like that by their own fans at a football match.

 

[dickwalton1964]

Scotchers is remarkably well-informed for someone so ill-informed. He wasn’t at the match today, or last week, yet he feels free to put down anyone who was and dares to criticise the team, albeit justifiably when they perform badly, as they did today. As has been suggested, his unequivocal optimism is tiresome especially when linked to his damning and insulting of those who dare to have the opposite view.
We were as poor today as we had been impressive against Wimbledon. We have looked superb at times this season but the Cheltenham and Lincoln matches were NOT good examples of that. And neither was today.

Well said.

I like to think I’m generally a glass half full sort of fan and I’ve constantly backed Robinson - still do - and lauded the team over the past couple of seasons but I’m not going to show myself up by defending the indefensible.

We are short, no doubt about it. Definitely short in quality, definitely short in physicality, definitely short in nous and possibly short in leadership. The need for a target man is glaringly obvious and I’d seriously question Robinson if, come 31st Jan, we don’t have a 6’2” plus target man through the door. The mis-timed jumping of Taylor and Williams today was ridiculous - at times laughable.

 

[horseman]

It is funny old game problem is so have other clubs but they’re not having blips lie us and we’re struggling with clubs in the top 6 when in all fairness if we’re to have a chance at promotion we’ve got to cope and today was a classic example of having a bad day at the office, it’s been bad day at the office for the last 3 games starting from todays game.
Taylor love him to bits but the last three games he hasn’t been at the races KR seems to think we have cover for Taylor. Sykes by all accounts was playing for himself today and as much as I think he’s been outstanding on occasions this season it’s no good to us with that attitude and maybe it’s best he’s moved on and get some money for him. Seddon what’s he done? Cam didn’t seem fit today McGuane who? Thorniley easily beaten today.
But Wycombe ugly and brutal did a number on us, Lincoln on paper should have been a win but we were outplayed, Cheltenham no end product apart from Sykes who got in there but now it looks like his head has turned.
Karl being asked anything happening in the next few days “ no “ was the short reply. It doesn’t install confidence in your team if you’re calling out players or confidence with the fans with his two letter response.

Are you basing your thoughts on Sykes etc "viewing" the game or merely because an ex Oxford player thought it.

As for best he moves on, if only it was so simple eh.

He said no but you prefer he made up stuff then when previously fans have slated him and said he should stay quiet. also ask yourself how can he think to get anyone in when he don't know if some are staying or going.

Can i also ask you as someone who says give him to the end of the season, why would you want players in that this magical new manager might not want.

 

[Billy Billy]

Why ? I’ve heard him call out players, to the media, in a positive way when they’ve played well.

After a defeat our manager questions some players commitment to our club and that’s a positive?

 

[bazzer9461]

Hahahahahaha. I can't believe people like this still exist. The chant wasn't claiming Stockdale is gay, but instead saying that wearing pink is 'gay' and therefore deserving of ridicule.

If they don't believe what they're chanting then why do it? They do it for laughs, trying to be funny by using a minority group as the victims. That isn't ok, and if you really think it's a bit of harmless banter I really feel sorry for you.

But here's the most important part: you don't get to decide on behalf of gay people whether it's offensive. The same way I don't get to decide whether certain chants are racist or not. As a white man, it's not my place to say, especially when there can be unwritten history, nuance, hidden meanings or micro aggressions behind certain words, terms or phrases that I say without thought.

Instead of dismissing people as being too easily offended, ask yourself why people might feel that way, and try to think from the minority's point of view. That way you might be able to gain a better understand of what people go through when they hear chants like that by their own fans at a football match.

I posted 2/3 months ago about the colour pink and back in the 60’s but probably more so in the 70’s you got ridiculed if a guy wore oink but then in the 80’s it was more common place and has been ever since dam I’ve got a couple of pink shirts and even at my age I think I look pretty smart when wearing them, do I think I’m Gay wearing a pink shirt? No I don’t is there fella stood by me who is wearing a pink shirt gay? I don’t know and don’t give a dam if he is. So chanting at someone being gay because of the couloir of their kit is pathetic and very childish. I’m sure if clubs look into this issue and identify the culprits responsible and called them out as bigots then tell they’re banned, it should go some way into preventing this appalling behaviour.

 

[Manorlounger]

What a thoroughly unenjoyable day. Elements of that felt like being back in the Conference. Wycombe are embarrassing. Not since the conference have I been to a game where it has felt like the entire opposition - fans, staff and players - has seemed almost more interested in bating, taunting and goading Oxford fans than the actual match. From their pathetic subs smirking and making obscene gestures at fans, to the histrionics of their ludicrous manager and staff on the touch line, to the almost comically inept stewards who couldn’t stop one dickhead running the length of the pitch to wind us up some more (it is DISGRACEFUL that it took two or three of our players putting themselves at risk to grab him and still their slug-headed, cabbage brained stewards were barely ambling onto the pitch), the shoving of Gavin Whyte that nobody seemed to care about, to the shameful antics of McCleary, to the absolutely laughable fireworks display at the end.

Those very same stewards are on duty at our home games. They cover both clubs on alternate days.
I had a very constructive, and informative conversation with two of those "slug-headed, cabbage brained stewards" prior to kick off and was impressed by their attitude towards all fans.
What was disgusting was the reaction of many of our "fans" who deemed it necessary to attempt to enter the field of play in order to confront one silly person. Such was their anger they couldn't manage to climb over the barrier.
I thought, as did Mrs Lounger, that the fireworks were a very good display and impressive in what they must have cost.

 

[Jolteon]

It‘s a bit outdated perhaps but it’s hardly offensive. Banter is often, nearly always, stereotypical and there won’t be a single fan making that chant towards the keeper genuinely believing what they’re chanting. It’s like the sex offender chant, we know Ainsworth or Akinfenwa aren’t sex offenders but it rhymes, it fits the chant and I thought it was amusing.

Life is too bloody short to take everything so literally and so seriously when it’s clearly said without substance, without meaning and without any real intent to offend.

Homophobia is just "outdated"? Is that the same for racism and sexism too? Just because 30 years ago it was ok to abuse people like me, doesn't mean it's ok to let people do it now for "banter". Who I am is not banter. And hearing people use that as a way to insult and ridicule an opposition player based on bullshit stereotypes makes me feel completely unwelcome at OUFC. It's apathetic attitudes like this that are the reason homophobia, racism and sexism still exist nowadays, and are especially prevalent in football.

 

[bazzer9461]

Those very same stewards are on duty at our home games. They cover both clubs on alternate days.
I had a very constructive, and informative conversation with two of those "slug-headed, cabbage brained stewards" prior to kick off and was impressed by their attitude towards all fans.
What was disgusting was the reaction of many of our "fans" who deemed it necessary to attempt to enter the field of play in order to confront one silly person. Such was their anger they couldn't manage to climb over the barrier.
I thought, as did Mrs Lounger, that the fireworks were a very good display and impressive in what they must have cost.

We’re they the same stewards who upset the families in the north stand?

 

[McXal]

Those very same stewards are on duty at our home games. They cover both clubs on alternate days.
I had a very constructive, and informative conversation with two of those "slug-headed, cabbage brained stewards" prior to kick off and was impressed by their attitude towards all fans.
What was disgusting was the reaction of many of our "fans" who deemed it necessary to attempt to enter the field of play in order to confront one silly person. Such was their anger they couldn't manage to climb over the barrier.
I thought, as did Mrs Lounger, that the fireworks were a very good display and impressive in what they must have cost.

Sorry - but the fact that the lad was able to get as far as he did, and the fact that several of our players were left to put themselves at risk whilst no steward thought to get out onto the pitch to intercept the guy, is poor. REALLY poor. Potentially player-endangeringly poor. No matter how lovely they may be to chat too, or how noble their thoughts towards fans are, it was abject stewarding and should be pointed out as such.

(No argument from me that the way some fans reacted was juvenile and pathetic. Although - again, it did come after a full afternoon of being constantly taunted and goaded. You, like me, have been around football fans long enough to know that a small, idiotic minority are up for a scrap and don’t have the patience to turn the other cheek in the face of near-constant goading)

 

[dickwalton1964]

Hahahahahaha. I can't believe people like this still exist. The chant wasn't claiming Stockdale is gay, but instead saying that wearing pink is 'gay' and therefore deserving of ridicule.

If they don't believe what they're chanting then why do it? They do it for laughs, trying to be funny by using a minority group as the victims. That isn't ok, and if you really think it's a bit of harmless banter I really feel sorry for you.

But here's the most important part: you don't get to decide on behalf of gay people whether it's offensive. The same way I don't get to decide whether certain chants are racist or not. As a white man, it's not my place to say, especially when there can be unwritten history, nuance, hidden meanings or micro aggressions behind certain words, terms or phrases that I say without thought.

Instead of dismissing people as being too easily offended, ask yourself why people might feel that way, and try to think from the minority's point of view. That way you might be able to gain a better understand of what people go through when they hear chants like that by their own fans at a football match.

Of course fans chant nonsense, stuff they don’t believe. What world do you live in ?

So when we go one up against, say, Hartlepool in the first round of the FA Cup and the fans start chanting ‘Wembley, Wembley’ ….. you think they genuinely think we are going all the way !

When I go to football, pardon me, but I don’t go with my mind attuned to minorities being offended. That said, there is a line not to be crossed but the wearing of a particular colour of kit and a bit of associated banter goes nowhere near that line in my view.

Im not in the least bit homophobic, racist or anything else discriminatory but I go to football wise enough to know that alcohol, testosterone, egotism and tribalism combined means on a Saturday afternoon you get a different beast to the one that might chat politely to the vicar the following morning.

 

[greatunclekip]

I am incredibly sorry to hear some of our own fans being made to feel like this.

At the end of the day it's 22 men kicking a piece of leather around. If it's not acceptable the other 6 days of the week, it's not acceptable for 90 minutes on a Saturday.

It's not "bantz" it's pathetic.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Im not in the least bit homophobic

Well your complete inability to see that the stupid chant might offend some of our own supporters (as well as gay people everywhere) means that although you may not be homophobic you are extremely insensitive, a bit childish and about 20 years behind the times.

 

[Oxymoron]

Is "Lino, lino, you're a c**t" more or less offensive? Discuss....

 

[Jolteon]

I am incredibly sorry to hear some of our own fans being made to feel like this.

At the end of the day it's 22 men kicking a piece of leather around. If it's not acceptable the other 6 days of the week, it's not acceptable for 90 minutes on a Saturday.

It's not "bantz" it's pathetic.

Bang on. Zero excuses for it. Hate speech is hate speech and being at the football, being "old fashioned", being drunk etc. doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

 

[Jolteon]

Is "Lino, lino, you're a c**t" more or less offensive? Discuss....

Less. You can choose to be a c**t. You don't choose to be gay. Still offensive, mind.

 

[Victor1986]

Well said.

I like to think I’m generally a glass half full sort of fan and I’ve constantly backed Robinson - still do - and lauded the team over the past couple of seasons but I’m not going to show myself up by defending the indefensible.

We are short, no doubt about it. Definitely short in quality, definitely short in physicality, definitely short in nous and possibly short in leadership. The need for a target man is glaringly obvious and I’d seriously question Robinson if, come 31st Jan, we don’t have a 6’2” plus target man through the door. The mis-timed jumping of Taylor and Williams today was ridiculous - at times laughable.

Can you get to the Kassam by 9.00am Monday Dick to take charge? Completely agree with you. If Scotchers is ITK can he confirm that the farce of our so called "takeover" is not affecting contract talks with players who actually want to stay?

 

[dickwalton1964]

I am incredibly sorry to hear some of our own fans being made to feel like this.

At the end of the day it's 22 men kicking a piece of leather around. If it's not acceptable the other 6 days of the week, it's not acceptable for 90 minutes on a Saturday.

It's not "bantz" it's pathetic.

In theory,

Well your complete inability to see that the stupid chant might offend some of our own supporters (as well as gay people everywhere) means that although you may not be homophobic you are extremely insensitive, a bit childish and about 20 years behind the times.

Where does it stop then ? I’ve heard our fans - and all fans - target an overweight player for example. We have overweight fans who could, in turn, develop a complex leading to an eating disorder that could untimely lead to a suicide situation.

Virtually every aspect of banter is picking on someone’s physicality or inability. Where is this line drawn or is someones sexuality the only thing that can offend and lead to deeper issues ?

 

[battman]

Of course fans chant nonsense, stuff they don’t believe. What world do you live in ?

So when we go one up against, say, Hartlepool in the first round of the FA Cup and the fans start chanting ‘Wembley, Wembley’ ….. you think they genuinely think we are going all the way !

When I go to football, pardon me, but I don’t go with my mind attuned to minorities being offended. That said, there is a line not to be crossed but the wearing of a particular colour of kit and a bit of associated banter goes nowhere near that line in my view.

Im not in the least bit homophobic, racist or anything else discriminatory but I go to football wise enough to know that alcohol, testosterone, egotism and tribalism combined means on a Saturday afternoon you get a different beast to the one that might chat politely to the vicar the following morning.

I'm glad to see you're making a massive deal out of the throwaway line at the start of the post, and have failed to address everything else I posted. All I'm saying is listen to minorities when they tell you something isn't ok, and try to at least work out where they're coming from, even if you don't agree with it.

I don't understand why you're trying to defend the chant. Just because it's not something brazen like 'f**k off you f****t', it doesn't mean it's ok, it's a micro-aggression. And I'm not saying you should have an encyclopaedic knowledge of everything that could offend, but if it's a joke at the expense of an already marginalised minority group, ask yourself deep down, is this really ok? If you say you're not homophobic, practice what you preach by not defending homophobes.