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Steve Gilbert
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Wilder has been tipped for it as has John Terry. Some of their fans seem to want Appleton.
oufc1991
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Appleton would be a good shout I think wilder could go in there and fix the job this season and maybe take them up next season that’s what he does isn’t it
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Jeezzz wonder what they`ve spent on wages and compensation!
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Forest are a club with clout but they have been in the doldrums for years.
Let’s not forget that Nottingham Forest have won the European cup (twice) and that alone separates them from most.
They just cannot seem to find the right formula to bring back success.
Dodgy owners? Bad managers? Flaky players? A little bit of all of those things have contributed to their more recent history.
However, They are not the only club who are underachieving. All for the same reasons as them.
Success is not a given. It is often fleeting and hard to maintain.
Just as Forest fans bemoan their plight… I would advise them ( and anyone) to take a look at the teams now plying their trade in the National league right now.
Many that consider themselves to be stalwarts of the 92.
… and then we have Bury
Nottingham Forest may well be a sleeping giant, but they are not the only ones.
Let’s not forget that Nottingham Forest have won the European cup (twice) and that alone separates them from most.
They just cannot seem to find the right formula to bring back success.
Dodgy owners? Bad managers? Flaky players? A little bit of all of those things have contributed to their more recent history.
However, They are not the only club who are underachieving. All for the same reasons as them.
Success is not a given. It is often fleeting and hard to maintain.
Just as Forest fans bemoan their plight… I would advise them ( and anyone) to take a look at the teams now plying their trade in the National league right now.
Many that consider themselves to be stalwarts of the 92.
… and then we have Bury
Nottingham Forest may well be a sleeping giant, but they are not the only ones.
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oufc1991
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From billy davies being appointed in 2011 (10 years ago ) they’ve had 19 managers that’s crazy
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Yes success is simple, just employ a good manager who can get the best out of what resources you have, like Nathan Jones or Gareth Ainsworth. However there don't seem to be as many of those around as you'd expect. I always think of Forest and Bristol Rovers when people throw their toys out of the pram with KR because we haven't won a match.Forest are a club with clout but they have been in the doldrums for years.
Let’s not forget that Nottingham Forest have won the European cup and that alone separates them from most.
They just cannot seem to find the right formula to bring back success.
Dodgy owners? Bad managers? Flaky players? A little bit of all of those things have contributed to their more recent history.
However, They are not the only club who are underachieving. All for the same reasons as them.
Success is not a given. It is often fleeting and hard to maintain.
Just as Forest fans bemoan their plight… I would advise them ( and anyone) to take a look at the teams now plying their trade in the National league right now.
Many that consider themselves to be stalwarts of the 92.
… and then we have Bury
Nottingham Forest may well be a sleeping giant, but they are not the only ones.
Big Ronaldo
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Careful now, you are wandering into scotchers’ territory there!
Forest are a club with clout but they have been in the doldrums for years.
Let’s not forget that Nottingham Forest have won the European cup and that alone separates them from most.
They just cannot seem to find the right formula to bring back success.
Dodgy owners? Bad managers? Flaky players? A little bit of all of those things have contributed to their more recent history.
However, They are not the only club who are underachieving. All for the same reasons as them.
Success is not a given. It is often fleeting and hard to maintain.
Just as Forest fans bemoan their plight… I would advise them ( and anyone) to take a look at the teams now plying their trade in the National league right now.
Many that consider themselves to be stalwarts of the 92.
… and then we have Bury
Nottingham Forest may well be a sleeping giant, but they are not the only ones.
I suspect Forest are a bit of a mess in terms of the organisational state off the pitch for the football side as that seems to change as much as managers.
Unbelievable.
Some pretty awful appointments and talk about not giving managers time. All a bit haphazard and trying to get success immediately ( rather than building a decent infrastructure and planned improvements over time)
I would bet that CW would get a lot more out of the players there than most and would at least give Forest a base to work from.
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Steady on. But stability is a good thing and success never guaranteed.Careful now, you are wandering into scotchers’ territory there!
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The thing with being Forest manager is it’s got an impossible legacy, a title and back to back European cups is so wildly overachieving for them that it skews what is actual success for a club. Makes Clough’s achievements there look even more remarkable, doubt we will ever see his like again.
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Totally agree on that, it is a brick overcoat for sure but the very fact that their historic success casts such a long shadow, makes me believe that they may, one day get it right with a suitable appointment and a little patience.
That last phrase "a little patience" would appear to be a major problem.
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Whilst not wanting to take the sheen off Forest's European success one bit, they achieved their wins when it was achievable for a club of their size and stature to do so. It was great for them but there's no hope of that happening now. The cards are stacked very much in favour of the big clubs. The European Cup giving way to the Champions League and the PL breakaway in the 1990s and 'Project Big Picture' and the ESL movements more recently show that those pulling the strings want a less egalitarian league structure and to make life that little bit easier for the 'big' clubs. There's a cabal of clubs - well, billionaire club owners - who simply don't want to see anyone 'do a Leicester' ever again because it encroaches on 'their' turf.
Your point about it being an impossible legacy is a good one though. It's just about recent enough to still be in many fans' memories but starting to fade away away as the current two or even three generations of Forest fans take their place who have known nothing but second (and third) tier football. The Championship is a beast of a division. Money is thrown around at a ridiculous level to get to the untold wealth of the PL - £15k a week is the average Championship salary for a player - so many are paying way over the odds to get there. Some like Millwall and Barnsley are happy to tread water as they don't have the clout to go much further, but Forest still cling to the idea that they can be a PL club and the culture of desperation to get there has seen this ludicrous managerial firing and hiring policy.
It's one of the reasons why I'm quite content in League 1. Seven 'new' teams to play each season, the EFL Trophy for the youth/development teams, decent enough football and without a carrot of the PL in place it means we largely spend without our means. Of course I'd take promotion but I wouldn't want us trying to go toe-to-toe with the big players if it any way jeopardised the club. We've been there before in recent memory and I don't fancy dusting off any FOUL letterheads any time soon.
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