Transfer News Transfer Window Summer 21

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ljs said:
Poor old Dan.
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Third choice centre forward behind Taylor and Winnall and also third choice on either wing (if people insist on playing him there) behind Bodin, Whyte, Holland and Williams. Won’t often be in the match day squad barring injuries once Holland is available in a week or so. That’s without even thinking about Cooper.

Agyei will be gone on a free next summer at the latest. Wouldn’t actually be surprised if he’s out on loan by the end of the month. If that happens then that’s the end given his contract situation, and it’s probably for the best. He needs to go somewhere and play regularly, in a role that he’s comfortable with and under a manager who really wants him. The constant links to Harrison can’t be without foundation at this point, which would mean three out and out strikers and five wingers without him even being in the equation. That’s too many bodies for him to be an option at that point.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Third choice centre forward behind Taylor and Winnall and also third choice on either wing (if people insist on playing him there) behind Bodin, Whyte, Holland and Williams. Won’t often be in the match day squad barring injuries once Holland is available in a week or so. That’s without even thinking about Cooper.

Agyei will be gone on a free next summer at the latest. Wouldn’t actually be surprised if he’s out on loan by the end of the month. If that happens then that’s the end given his contract situation, and it’s probably for the best. He needs to go somewhere and play regularly, in a role that he’s comfortable with and under a manager who really wants him. The constant links to Harrison can’t be without foundation at this point, which would mean three out and out strikers and five wingers without him even being in the equation. That’s too many bodies for him to be an option at that point.
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Madness, what’s the reason? I can’t believe it’s some petty personal thing
 
werthersoriginal said:
Madness, what’s the reason? I can’t believe it’s some petty personal thing
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Possibly because KR doesn't rate him?
We all have our own views. I don't particularly rate Agyei, but appreciate that some have huge regard for him.
I would be surprised if he plays above L1 but do hope he does well.
 
Foley said:
Possibly because KR doesn't rate him?
We all have our own views. I don't particularly rate Agyei, but appreciate that some have huge regard for him.
I would be surprised if he plays above L1 but do hope he does well.
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I haven’t seen enough to really decide which is frustrating. He can look really hapless but by the end of last season seemed greatly improved and very dangerous.
 
werthersoriginal said:
Madness, what’s the reason? I can’t believe it’s some petty personal thing
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I’m not going to have people crying at me or slagging me off for daring to offer an informed opinion on it, and I’m not going to give anybody the chance to bullshit about it and attempt to twist the truth either, all of which have happened in the past. So I’ll just say “Dunno.”

We need another body in defence (an actual defender, not another B*****s ‘utility’ player like Grayson) and if Gorrin isn’t going to be a regular starter then we probably do need a bit of extra physicality in midfield in an ideal world. Not far off where it needs to be though IMO. Wonder if there might be a curveball before the end of the window. The sort of scenario where a player becomes available in a position that appears well stocked at present, but is just so good that turning them down is difficult.
 
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Foley said:
Possibly because KR doesn't rate him?
We all have our own views. I don't particularly rate Agyei, but appreciate that some have huge regard for him.
I would be surprised if he plays above L1 but do hope he does well.
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Do you rate Winnall? If so it must be due to his past performances not from anything he’s done for us.

I agree with you KR clearly doesn’t rate/like Dan at all. It’s just frustrating that Robinson constantly puts on Winnall ahead of him when Agyei has come on and looked dangerous/threatening/created chances time after time (with the odd poor game, like any player). It’s hard not to think that if Agyei had come on and done pretty much nothing he’d be getting slated, but Winnall gets away with it time and time again.
 
HampshireYellow said:
I’ve

Do you rate Winnall? If so it must be due to his past performances not from anything he’s done for us.

I agree with you KR clearly doesn’t rate/like Dan at all. It’s just frustrating that Robinson constantly puts on Winnall ahead of him when Agyei has come on and looked dangerous/threatening/created chances time after time (with the odd poor game, like any player). It’s hard not to think that if Agyei had come on and done pretty much nothing he’d be getting slated, but Winnall gets away with it time and time again.
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Again we haven’t really seen enough of a fit Winnall to decide but his goals per minutes are decent. Seems to me he’s a similar player to Taylor so could fill in from the start when Matt is injured, but if you want to change a game surely you’d bring on Dan.
 
werthersoriginal said:
Again we haven’t really seen enough of a fit Winnall to decide but his goals per minutes are decent. Seems to me he’s a similar player to Taylor so could fill in from the start when Matt is injured, but if you want to change a game surely you’d bring on Dan.
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What’s Dan’s goals per minute versus Winnalls?

I’ve no idea but would be interested to know
 
We just need a solid start after 10 games based on our quite shocking start a year ago. we had to go on some quite unprecedented runs in order to squeeze in to the play offs last season.

I think a point isn't bad but probably an opportunity missed. The weaknesses are glaringly obvious to all and sundry. The next week or two will be crucial in the transfer market.
 
Ricky Otto said:
What’s Dan’s goals per minute versus Winnalls?

I’ve no idea but would be interested to know
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Winnall’s goals per minute ratio is better, but stick Winnall on the wing rather than only ever as a number nine and see what happens to those numbers. It’s a bit apples and oranges when a good 80% of Agyei’s minutes were spent out on the wing, and then you also have to consider that Winnall is credited with one assist last season over Agyei’s five. The stats route can be as confusing as it is helpful as it doesn’t consider such pretty basic variables. Winnall was given better opportunities to be in scoring positions due to his role; Agyei was in positions where assists are probably a little more frequent.

The interesting thing for me is to watch where Agyei’s goals last season came from, in terms of his position on the pitch. Apart from the Northampton wonder strike, his goals were not scored when cutting in from the wing. That was the only time he did that. Rochdale, Gillingham and Shrewsbury were all scored when collecting / connecting with the ball within a yard or two of the penalty spot, in terms of using it as a marker to the centre of the goal posts. While the Shrewsbury goal was hit from pretty much on the penalty spot itself, his goal at Gillingham was on the six yard line and the one at Rochdale was 20 yards out after he collected a loose corner kick, but if you draw a straight line through the penalty spot and out the other side in either direction he’s very central. Swindon was from the corner of the box but he got there running the channel as a number nine, he was not playing on the wing (Shodipo was - it was he who won the header that sent Agyei on his way), and the goal against Chelsea in the pizza pot was from inside the six yard box and in turn between the goal posts after the keeper spilled the ball. If there were a map showing where he struck each of his goals, as well as where he first collected / made contact with the ball before shooting (a couple of these would be the same marker as they were first time strikes), I think it would raise an eyebrow or two.

It’s ultimately difficult to compare them unless they’re regularly playing the same role and the same position on the pitch. Winnall played half of the minutes Agyei did in total, but he also played more than twice the number of minutes that Agyei did as a centre forward. There are so many different ways to mine and manipulate that type of data in favour of either player that you can’t really do much but come back to the eye test, and base your opinion on who you think looks the more useful / dangerous based on watching a game of football, rather than looking at spread sheets.
 
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