Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

[battman]

Out of interest, what are the biggest lows that you refer to?

The wretched defeat against Swindon, the performance and result against Wycombe in the play-off final, 8 defeats in our opening 11 league games of 2018/19, losing 7 of our opening 10 in the league this season. And, to a lesser extent the poor defeat against Tranmere in the EFL Trophy semi-final.

 

[Scotchegg]

The wretched defeat against Swindon, the performance and result against Wycombe in the play-off final, 8 defeats in our opening 11 league games of 2018/19, losing 7 of our opening 10 in the league this season. And, to a lesser extent the poor defeat against Tranmere in the EFL Trophy semi-final.

So you don't remember Wigan ripping us apart, or pretty much every game under Pep? Or the end of the Wilder era when we played negative football with a manager who had long since given up? Or the weeks after he left when the whole team gave up? Or even the start of MApp's time here when we were apparently in a relegation battle until February of that season?

And for the "lows" you talk about, are they not countered by the highs of beating Swindon away, the fact that we finished in our highest league position in 20 years, the 5 game winning run that got us there, the 9 wins in a row this season, the Man City games, West Ham, Newcastle, Lincoln away?

Seems a little blinkered to talk about the "biggest lows since the conference days" whilst ignoring some fantastic football over the last couple of years which could still bring us a second successive playoff finish.

 

[AbbeyOx]

So you don't remember Wigan ripping us apart, or pretty much every game under Pep? Or the end of the Wilder era when we played negative football with a manager who had long since given up? Or the weeks after he left when the whole team gave up? Or even the start of MApp's time here when we were apparently in a relegation battle until February of that season?

And for the "lows" you talk about, are they not countered by the highs of beating Swindon away, the fact that we finished in our highest league position in 20 years, the 5 game winning run that got us there, the 9 wins in a row this season, the Man City games, West Ham, Newcastle, Lincoln away?

Seems a little blinkered to talk about the "biggest lows since the conference days" whilst ignoring some fantastic football over the last couple of years which could still bring us a second successive playoff finish.

yeah but apart from all that, Gobbo out

 

[battman]

So you don't remember Wigan ripping us apart, or pretty much every game under Pep? Or the end of the Wilder era when we played negative football with a manager who had long since given up? Or the weeks after he left when the whole team gave up? Or even the start of MApp's time here when we were apparently in a relegation battle until February of that season?

And for the "lows" you talk about, are they not countered by the highs of beating Swindon away, the fact that we finished in our highest league position in 20 years, the 5 game winning run that got us there, the 9 wins in a row this season, the Man City games, West Ham, Newcastle, Lincoln away?

Seems a little blinkered to talk about the "biggest lows since the conference days" whilst ignoring some fantastic football over the last couple of years which could still bring us a second successive playoff finish.

Note how I said 'some of the biggest lows' and not 'all of'. And I mentioned there were highs too, so I'm not sure what your attack line is? There have been good moments yes, but my point is this is a manager who thrives off the occasional really good moment, which masks problems he hasn't fixed in his 3+ years at the club. Things like the regular poor runs of form, the mismatched squad building and the ability for the side to go completely missing in important games. Funny how I've never seen you try to counter those points.

Also, seeing as you brought up this 'best finish' defence, can I bring your attention to this? As you seem to have missed it:

How do people keep giving Robinson the credit for getting us up from the Conference to League One? He's only been able to finish in these positions because he took over a Clotet team that was 10th in League One when Pep was sacked, 15th when Karl took over and finished 8th the previous season under Appleton.

There are valid things you can use to boost your argument about Robinson, but this 'highest finish since x' stuff bears no weight at all unless Karl personally got us up from the Conference and League Two in League One, but he didn't.

 

[Scotchegg]

Note how I said 'some of the biggest lows' and not 'all of'. And I mentioned there were highs too, so I'm not sure what your attack line is? There have been good moments yes, but my point is this is a manager who thrives off the occasional really good moment, which masks problems he hasn't fixed in his 3+ years at the club. Things like the regular poor runs of form, the mismatched squad building and the ability for the side to go completely missing in important games. Funny how I've never seen you try to counter those points.

Also, seeing as you brought up this 'best finish' defence, can I bring your attention to this? As you seem to have missed it:

I haven't missed anything, but do you not think it's incredible that we could reach the playoffs in consecutive years, with a budget that's likely to be between 8th-10th highest and still question the suitability of the manager?

 

[Yellowoptimist]

For all those questioning Robinson I suggest you watch the post match interview of the Crewe manager after yesterday and be grateful

 

[OxfordYankee]

Three years in now. He’s had more money than any previous Oxford manager, better facilities in which to train his squad and unwavering support from the owners.

Our position today does not reflect the tools at his disposal. And I’ve lost faith that tomorrow’s will ever do so either.

Robinson out.

 

[Scotchegg]

Three years in now. He’s had more money than any previous Oxford manager, better facilities in which to train his squad and unwavering support from the owners.

Our position today does not reflect the tools at his disposal. And I’ve lost faith that tomorrow’s will ever do so either.

Robinson out.

What position would reflect this?

 

[Billy Billy]

Three years in now. He’s had more money than any previous Oxford manager, better facilities in which to train his squad and unwavering support from the owners.

Our position today does not reflect the tools at his disposal. And I’ve lost faith that tomorrow’s will ever do so either.

Robinson out.

More money than any previous Oxford manager! Is this a fact?

 

[Upthecowboys]

I haven't missed anything, but do you not think it's incredible that we could reach the playoffs in consecutive years, with a budget that's likely to be between 8th-10th highest and still question the suitability of the manager?

I think ‘incredible’ is pushing it!

Especially when Robinson was well backed in the January window, is in his 3rd season, has a great training facility etc. There is a lot in his favour.

Also should we not aspire to have a manager that can improve and outperform his budget? To be fair Robinson did ‘outperform’ his budget that last season, which is one of the reasons why finishing out of the playoffs this season would feel like a step backwards.

 

[OxfordYankee]

What position would reflect this?

An improvement on last season’s.

 

[Scotchegg]

An improvement on last season’s.

Has this season finished then?

 

[Paul Cannell]

It's silly to think that people will change their opinion about a manager in one game when they've taken over a season to form it.

Robinson out.

 

[horseman]

I get that people have always had opinions of players and managers that often vary from one extreme to the other but i've yet to read on here who is this great person that "will" do so much better and "why".
I repeat what i've said on here recently just because there might be some wealthy folk involved does not guarantee success, there is no given in football.

The most disappointing aspect of some of the thought process is that it's often appears based on his accent and the very ott comments after we dared to lose a game of football.

People are so quick to say we have a crap manager and players and conveniently "select" games to try and enhance their point, Swindon at home being a prime example but again as i've pointed out what about the late goals at MK Dons ( earned a point) + Rochdale (earned 3 pts ) so even had we beat Swindon lost at Mk and Drew with Rochdale the return is exactly the same.
Lately it was the Accrington game but if we look at the 4 games v Lincoln Sunderland Accrington Crewe that got us 6 pts how many more would we really of expected?
The poor start keeps being dragged up but even if that was reversed a winning run cannot be sustained so again pts would be dropped along the way because that's football so we'd still be pretty much where we are but then that comes across as the real crux of the matter because some believe we have a right to be in the Autos or Play Off places.
Some are saying we got no credit from the Crewe manager for yesterday yet moan about our loss to Tranmere, where is the credit for them who were excellent on the night and thoroughly deserved their victory.?

 

[OxfordYankee]

Has this season finished then?

In the literal sense, no.

 

[The mighty Aldo]

So you don't remember Wigan ripping us apart, or pretty much every game under Pep? Or the end of the Wilder era when we played negative football with a manager who had long since given up? Or the weeks after he left when the whole team gave up? Or even the start of MApp's time here when we were apparently in a relegation battle until February of that season?

And for the "lows" you talk about, are they not countered by the highs of beating Swindon away, the fact that we finished in our highest league position in 20 years, the 5 game winning run that got us there, the 9 wins in a row this season, the Man City games, West Ham, Newcastle, Lincoln away?

Seems a little blinkered to talk about the "biggest lows since the conference days" whilst ignoring some fantastic football over the last couple of years which could still bring us a second successive playoff finish.

What have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[Oxford84]

An improvement on last season’s.

so only automatic promotion or going up via the playoffs would let Robinson keep his job?

 

[The mighty Aldo]

For me nothing changes, I would give KR another year.
The difference could be extra investment, if you could get Barker and Mc Guane and another top class midfielder and defender who knows where we could end up
However I would like to see a bit more consistency we tend to be very good or very poor.
In many games (at least 5) we should have come away with a point rather than a defeat which is frustrating

 

[Millman]

The last 2 games sum up Karl for me. Lose one at home to a team in woeful form, then annilate another away. Karl is not great and not awful. At times we are either one or the other under him. Overall we are a good average. This inconsistency can be very frustrating at times.

Unless we get lucky it is unlikely a Karl team will ever storm a league. On the flip side it us equally unlikely we would be relegated. He is a good to average league one manager. He seems unlikely to improve on that.

However there could come the season where all the signings come off, we avoid those injuries and we get a bit lucky. Then we could see success under him. The question is can we or more importantly the owners wait for this to happen. At the moment for now I am happy to wait and see.

 

[Ox4Eva]

This thread has made me grateful that we cannot go to games, so I don't have to sit amongst morons...