National News Brexit - the Deal or No Deal poll

[Sheik djibouti]

Going well in France: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49686818

They are protesting about retiring at 63/64......................... just let that sink in a while while you check your pension statement.

Protests?....in France?....I'm shocked....shocked I tell you

 

[tonyw]

This is the sort of statement that stops you from converting leavers into remainers. And that's what you really need to be doing if you care enough about reversing the result.

Strictly speaking, if no one changes their mind on Brexit, given the voting pattern by demographics, the Remain side actually only has to wait.

Once enough old timer Brexit voters (61% of over 65s were pro-Brexit) die off, and enough teenage Remainers reach voting age (75% of under 24s were pro-Remain), the UK will get to a Remain majority without converting anyone!

Some analyses have suggested that we may already be there...….

 

[m]

Going well in France: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49686818

They are protesting about retiring at 63/64......................... just let that sink in a while while you check your pension statement.

Should we blame the EU?

 

[Paul Cannell]

Do they want to retire at 67, like us?

 

[Peterdev]

Hope the French kick off big time.
Wish we had their Dunkirk spirit

 

[Big Ronaldo]

Let’s blow up the inflatables and get across there while the weathers good.

 

[Sarge]

Let’s blow up the inflatables and get across there while the weathers good.

bit extreme ... theyre not bad as a ska covers band ( the inflatables)

 

[Paul Cannell]

Hope the French kick off big time.
Wish we had their Dunkirk spirit

My grandad died at Dunkirk so little weasels like you can take the piss. He didn't know that of course; poor b****r, face down in the sea.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

Great local band sarge. Used to go to a fair few of their gigs.??

 

[Peterdev]

My grandad died at Dunkirk so little weasels like you can take the piss. He didn't know that of course; poor b****r, face down in the sea.

Don’t take it the wrong way Paul. My father was on HMS Larges at Normandy the day before 6/6/44

 

[Paul Cannell]

A'ight. Carry on.

 

[holdsteady]

Strictly speaking, if no one changes their mind on Brexit, given the voting pattern by demographics, the Remain side actually only has to wait.

Once enough old timer Brexit voters (61% of over 65s were pro-Brexit) die off, and enough teenage Remainers reach voting age (75% of under 24s were pro-Remain), the UK will get to a Remain majority without converting anyone!

Some analyses have suggested that we may already be there...….

But that doesn’t allow for people’s move to the right as they age, that will have converted some remainers into leavers perhaps?

 

[Peterdev]

Plenty of remainers are unhappy that the result has not been honoured.
The politicians and the EU of course want us to stay in regardless of the way the voters decided...when the MPs decided to delegate the decision to us and then refused to honour our vote.

 

[Sarge]

 

[tonyw]

But that doesn’t allow for people’s move to the right as they age, that will have converted some remainers into leavers perhaps?

No doubt - I was just pointing out that the Remain side doesn't have to Convert, only Retain, in order to gain a majority.

Also, although there's probably some correlation, Right/Left ain't the best predictor for Leave/Remain.

 

[Manorlounger]

No doubt - I was just pointing out that the Remain side doesn't have to Convert, only Retain, in order to gain a majority.

Also, although there's probably some correlation, Right/Left ain't a good predictor for Leave/Remain.

So, in essence, the actual outcome of the vote becomes irrelevant because all those who voted leave, will eventually die?

 

[tonyw]

So, in essence, the actual outcome of the vote becomes irrelevant because all those who voted leave, will eventually die?

If they're being replaced by younger people who all want to remain - then yes.

A referendum, by definition, takes a snapshot in time. And opinions will change based on when you take that snapshot.

It's yet another reason why they're generally a dumb idea (and if you look at all my old postings, you'll see that I thought that long before 2016.....)

 

[Manorlounger]

If they're being replaced by younger people who all want to remain - then yes.

A referendum, by definition, takes a snapshot in time. And opinions will change based on when you take that snapshot.

It's yet another reason why they're generally a dumb idea (and if you look at all my old postings, you'll see that I thought that long before 2016.....)

I don't believe you have quite thought this through. There was a referendum, there was an outcome. Period. You don't change the outcome because the voters are dead.

 

[Manorlounger]

.... you don't change the outcome of the 2016 referendum, no. But if there's a justifiable reason for another referendum, based on a changing political climate and possession of greater knowledge, the outcome would likely be to Remain.

Have that referendum and fine, if the outcome is different, so be it but, don't have the referendum simply on the basis of not liking the original outcome.

p.s. I intend being around a little longer yet!

 

[Foley]

Ireland from memory had two referendums where the public voted against EU treaties?
They had to vote again to get to the 'right' answer.
Maybe Cameron's referendum should have stated: Do you want to remain. In the EU. A = yes B = yes.