Clotet our for goodness sake

[windmill]

Responsibility inevitably lands at the manager's door. Always has, always will. Unless results improve, and I am not including the Checkatrade, , then I fear his days are numbered, even if Darryl has to pay compo.

 

[Deleted member 222]

with how this season is mirroring MApps first season in charge including threads on the forum calling for the managers head, Charlie going on about how we are doomed and Bazzer panicking about a striker i’m expecting Clotet to get us promoted next season.

 

[Sarge]

Responsibility inevitably lands at the manager's door. Always has, always will. Unless results improve, and I am not including the Checkatrade, , then I fear his days are numbered, even if Darryl has to pay compo.

Ive a feeling that the Harvey boycott trophy match on Tuesday will see OUFC progress to the next stage of that competition....... Eales will be happy as that means more £ ...... the Catalan will be happy as its a positve result..... Players will be happy as its a step closer to playing at White Hart Wembley ....... Burning question is would the most important people involved with OUFC , the fans and supporters, be happy with reaching the next stage of that competition?

 

[Scotchegg]

Ive a feeling that the Harvey boycott trophy match on Tuesday will see OUFC progress to the next stage of that competition....... Eales will be happy as that means more £ ...... the Catalan will be happy as its a positve result..... Players will be happy as its a step closer to playing at White Hart Wembley ....... Burning question is would the most important people involved with OUFC , the fans and supporters, be happy with reaching the next stage of that competition?

In fairness, most we see the result as either an irrelevance or a (very slight) glimmer of hope in an otherwise fairly depressing season.
Personally I've never had an issue with the Checkatrade and will be happy if we won. Equally, other than wanting to put out the only remaining PL team, I won't be heart broken if we lose. But neither scenario should alter the league situation or Peps position.

 

[Lundinsponytail]

You do realise that you were posting exactly the same during MApp's first season? You were calling for him to go in the October at the same time as worrying about a relegation dog fight etc. Anyone who thought he should be given time was labelled as an idiot or not a true fan. A couple of years later and you now see MApp as a cross between Bill Shankley and Sir Alec!

Ashton departure is now seen by you as the point where all hope was lost, yet he was part of the problem according to many of your posts at that time.

History has a habit of proving you wrong, yet you continue to dismiss anyone who dares thinking differently to Mystic Chas!

It is possible to make a point without rewriting history, blurring the truth and insulting others. Give it a go and your rants may have a little more credibility.

Untrue. In fact, a lie. I challenge you to find a single post where I called for Mapp's sacking. I was desperate for him to ditch 4231 because I felt (still feel) that it is unsuited to lower league players.

As for us being in a relegation battle, that is exactly where we were. Any team within six points or so of the drop in January comes into that category (do you pay any attention to the rest of the football world) Someone saying that a club is in a relegation battle is not the same saying that they are going to lose that battle.
I can simultaneously believe that - say - Newcastle are in a fight against relegation and also say I think they will stay up.
On your weird point about Ashton's departure, I am hardly alone in seeing it as a seminal moment. The guy whose entire blueprint our plan was based on was fired, and over the next year and a half was followed by the marketing manager, the commercial manager, the fan liaison manager, the manager, the captain and his successor, the chief scout, the academy manager....... now, one can take a view as to whether Ashton's blueprint, and the people he selected to make it happen, was a good blueprint or not. If you think it was crap, and what has been put in place since is superior, then please feel free to make the argument. Or perhaps you think that that level of turnover is normal and healthy..... pray do tell. But to imply that it was a non-event unworthy of discussion is surely a but if a stretch, even for you, no?

 

[Deleted member 462]

You do realise that you were posting exactly the same during MApp's first season? You were calling for him to go in the October at the same time as worrying about a relegation dog fight etc. Anyone who thought he should be given time was labelled as an idiot or not a true fan. A couple of years later and you now see MApp as a cross between Bill Shankley and Sir Alec!

Ashton departure is now seen by you as the point where all hope was lost, yet he was part of the problem according to many of your posts at that time.

History has a habit of proving you wrong, yet you continue to dismiss anyone who dares thinking differently to Mystic Chas!

It is possible to make a point without rewriting history, blurring the truth and insulting others. Give it a go and your rants may have a little more credibility.

Untrue. In fact, a lie. I challenge you to find a single post where I called for Mapp's sacking. I was desperate for him to ditch 4231 because I felt (still feel) that it is unsuited to lower league players.

As for us being in a relegation battle, that is exactly where we were. Any team within six points or so of the drop in January comes into that category (do you pay any attention to the rest of the football world) Someone saying that a club is in a relegation battle is not the same saying that they are going to lose that battle.
I can simultaneously believe that - say - Newcastle are in a fight against relegation and also say I think they will stay up.
On your weird point about Ashton's departure, I am hardly alone in seeing it as a seminal moment. The guy whose entire blueprint our plan was based on was fired, and over the next year and a half was followed by the marketing manager, the commercial manager, the fan liaison manager, the manager, the captain and his successor, the chief scout, the academy manager....... now, one can take a view as to whether Ashton's blueprint, and the people he selected to make it happen, was a good blueprint or not. If you think it was crap, and what has been put in place since is superior, then please feel free to make the argument. Or perhaps you think that that level of turnover is normal and healthy..... pray do tell. But to imply that it was a non-event unworthy of discussion is surely a but if a stretch, even for you, no?

Well u were screaming mickey Adams name as the replacement needed to save us from relegation. Maybe we could get him in now, just 3 years later and our saviour is coaching the under 18 side of harborough town.

 

[Manorlounger]

Ok. Stop the infighting right now.

Been there, done that. Boring. You disagree, for whatever reason. The rest of us don't give a flying f**k! Leave it.

Let's concentrate on what the real issue is, our club. Sensible, educated and reasoned debate is required.

I really, really hoped we had left all of this on the old forum.

 

[carefreeoufc]

Personally I think we need to look beyond the manager for a lot of the issues we are facing on the pitch. Don’t get me wrong I’ve listened to Pep being interviewed and he doesn’t instill me with much in the way of confidence, however, I do feel he was sold a bit of a duff when he joined us in the summer.

Casting my mind back to the end of last season I think the writing was on the wall then. Appleton clearly had an inkling that Eales wasn’t going to invest in the way he had and had lost interest so he left given the opportunity.

Until the off field issues are at least partially resolved we’ll continue on the current path regardless of manager.

 

[Deleted member 462]

Ok. Stop the infighting right now.

Been there, done that. Boring. You disagree, for whatever reason. The rest of us don't give a flying f**k! Leave it.

Let's concentrate on what the real issue is, our club. Sensible, educated and reasoned debate is required.

I really, really hoped we had left all of this on the old forum.

No in fighting from me. We’re discussing the merits of changing a manager. It has a bearing on that debate if it’s been used wrongly before, as ur less likely to take that opinion seriously again if they got it wrong last time, myself and Charles (up to mickey Adams gate) were some of the last people to start calling for a change of manger. We’re actually in agreement on quite a few things, timing of it being bad, it not quite being a relegation battle yet, there being enough in the squad to turn it around. I’d actually be interested to know Charlie’s views on our best formation based on what we have in the building. We don’t agree on a lot of things, but we have had plenty of civil debates on the playing side over the years.

 

[Scotchegg]

Ok. Stop the infighting right now.

Been there, done that. Boring. You disagree, for whatever reason. The rest of us don't give a flying f**k! Leave it.

Let's concentrate on what the real issue is, our club. Sensible, educated and reasoned debate is required.

I really, really hoped we had left all of this on the old forum.

The point I make, and will continue to, is that if you put yourself in a position of discounting any other opinion then your previous views should be taken into account. Many who are calling for Pep to go were also calling for MApp to go. To rewrite that history takes away the credibility of the poster in my view. If that has no relevance to you then skip past the posts.

 

[horseman]

Surely it's possible to have the same opinion on 2 similar scenarios and be wrong 50% of the time?

As things stand history proves that the first time many ( me included) got it very wrong

This time the answer is not known but because people got it right or wrong last time has no baring now imho

 

[Lundinsponytail]

The point I make, and will continue to, is that if you put yourself in a position of discounting any other opinion then your previous views should be taken into account. Many who are calling for Pep to go were also calling for MApp to go. To rewrite that history takes away the credibility of the poster in my view. If that has no relevance to you then skip past the posts.

You made your point by telling a lie. Why don't you just get on with making your own independent points rather than acting as a vigilante?
Read Dave's post above: no one is interested in perpetuating petty feuds and even fewer (if that is posdible) are interested in reading about them.
In answer to the latter's question, I would focus on round pegs in round holes and getting some width. That means a straightforward 442 for now with the wide men being selected on their ability to track back and help our struggling full backs. We generally nick a goal somewhere, so set up shop ti be tough to beat. I shall be interested to see tge new players, though, as they might give us some much-needed energy. And that might enable more tactical flexibility.

 

[Deleted member 462]

See I agree with that as well. Glad we’ve also cleared up I’m not called “dave” [emoji6]. Not a fan of male ponytails though

 

[Scotchegg]

You made your point by telling a lie. Why don't you just get on with making your own independent points rather than acting as a vigilante?
Read Dave's post above: no one is interested in perpetuating petty feuds and even fewer (if that is posdible) are interested in reading about them.
In answer to the latter's question, I would focus on round pegs in round holes and getting some width. That means a straightforward 442 for now with the wide men being selected on their ability to track back and help our struggling full backs. We generally nick a goal somewhere, so set up shop ti be tough to beat. I shall be interested to see tge new players, though, as they might give us some much-needed energy. And that might enable more tactical flexibility.

The problem we have is that we have got very few pegs, round, square or otherwise. The team we put out yesterday was pretty much as good as we could have done and we have to accept it's limitations. In addition there is not enough discipline to hold position or desire to work hard off the ball. Our goal came from left back and left mid combining on the edge of their box, but lose possession and we're struggling - as happened a few times. The build up was painfully slow but there was zero movement across our front 4 or an intention to come short and create space behind. That can be down to coaching and management, but we're not dealing with kids as a whole but experienced players who should be able to see the issues. But what does Pep do? If he drops anyone, who is he going to bring in? We've got a patched up team who look shot physically and mentally. Maybe Tuesday will give the team a much needed boost, but defeat could leave the season pretty much dead. I do not think we will go down, or even come close but everyone connected with the club needs to get their head out of their arses and get on it. Pointing the finger at Pep alone gives too many an easy excuse and will only make things worse.

 

[Deleted member 462]

You made your point by telling a lie. Why don't you just get on with making your own independent points rather than acting as a vigilante?
Read Dave's post above: no one is interested in perpetuating petty feuds and even fewer (if that is posdible) are interested in reading about them.
In answer to the latter's question, I would focus on round pegs in round holes and getting some width. That means a straightforward 442 for now with the wide men being selected on their ability to track back and help our struggling full backs. We generally nick a goal somewhere, so set up shop ti be tough to beat. I shall be interested to see tge new players, though, as they might give us some much-needed energy. And that might enable more tactical flexibility.

The problem we have is that we have got very few pegs, round, square or otherwise. The team we put out yesterday was pretty much as good as we could have done and we have to accept it's limitations. In addition there is not enough discipline to hold position or desire to work hard off the ball. Our goal came from left back and left mid combining on the edge of their box, but lose possession and we're struggling - as happened a few times. The build up was painfully slow but there was zero movement across our front 4 or an intention to come short and create space behind. That can be down to coaching and management, but we're not dealing with kids as a whole but experienced players who should be able to see the issues. But what does Pep do? If he drops anyone, who is he going to bring in? We've got a patched up team who look shot physically and mentally. Maybe Tuesday will give the team a much needed boost, but defeat could leave the season pretty much dead. I do not think we will go down, or even come close but everyone connected with the club needs to get their head out of their arses and get on it. Pointing the finger at Pep alone gives too many an easy excuse and will only make things worse.

I don’t know about the team yesterday.

Here a few things I think would have made a difference.

Bring in dickie, martin and mous are slow, replace either.

Put ruffels at lb. he’s better in the middle, but needs must and tiendalli is slow and s**t. Ruffels will get down that line.

Ibr. He’s a dangerous fast RIGHT winger play him there.

If Ledson was fit put him in the middle as the engine and a bit of bite.

Play napa or gvk down the left, not their side but seriously lacking any option and both have what we crave - pace. I would put mowatt there if and when we have cover in the middle, due to him having a left foot. But with no Hall that’s one of our must need positions

Don’t play it high up to obika, he doesn’t want to win them any more, either use agon in that role, or ideally get the balls down the line and in the area. Even those two are capable of scoring with their knee or a**e from 5 yards.

 

[Gary Baldi]

I see the babies and bath water are still being thrown out.

All OUFC managers need their "history", "white noise" moment to truly understand the fans and the club, and take us on to better things. The continued hysteria over being shushed it quite hilarious. There are more divas in our fanbase than the Oscars and Golden Globes combined.

 

[Scotchegg]

I don’t know about the team yesterday.

Here a few things I think would have made a difference.

Bring in dickie, martin and mous are slow, replace either.

Put ruffels at lb. he’s better in the middle, but needs must and tiendalli is slow and s**t. Ruffels will get down that line.

Ibr. He’s a dangerous fast RIGHT winger play him there.

If Ledson was fit put him in the middle as the engine and a bit of bite.

Play napa or gvk down the left, not their side but seriously lacking any option and both have what we crave - pace. I would put mowatt there if and when we have cover in the middle, due to him having a left foot. But with no Hall that’s one of our must need positions

Don’t play it high up to obika, he doesn’t want to win them any more, either use agon in that role, or ideally get the balls down the line and in the area. Even those two are capable of scoring with their knee or a**e from 5 yards.

Wouldn't disagree, and could see some of these changes happening in the coming weeks - but not sure we were in a position yesterday. Ledson was presumably not well enough to start, so moving Ruffels would have left us exposed in the middle. We've chopped and changed so much at the back and we were at least looking settled (if not great). Wouldn't be surprised to see Dickie play before too long.
Thomas may not set the world alight, but he is better that anyone else and makes things happen. I've seen more movement on table football than we had yesterday, and even Hemmings would be better. The new kid tried, but looked knackered after an hour. And he at least looked like getting back so not the liability van Kessel is. But he drifted a lot so maybe playing on the right will be better as he didn't fancy the left touchline.

All that aside, I think we have enough to see us safe this season. Then we can reassess on who stays, Pep included.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I wonder if the fact he’s foreign, sophisticated, and probably quite rich is counting against him? Some here were calling for Phil Brown, who’s going to be more into lager and shouting than tapas and opera.

 

[Deleted member 462]

I wonder if the fact he’s foreign, sophisticated, and probably quite rich is counting against him? Some here were calling for Phil Brown, who’s going to be more into lager and shouting than tapas and opera.

Really??

 

[Manorlounger]

The point I make, and will continue to, is that if you put yourself in a position of discounting any other opinion then your previous views should be taken into account. Many who are calling for Pep to go were also calling for MApp to go. To rewrite that history takes away the credibility of the poster in my view. If that has no relevance to you then skip past the posts.

I think you may have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the Dave and Charles spat. I have more than enough time for both and have met Dave and enjoy talking to him. I have plenty of time for Charles but have yet to meet him socially. Both have valid points and both have displayed their support for OUFC. I just don't want the repetition of what we endured towards the end of the former forum.

There are many who post on here with many opinions and very, very few deserve direct condemnation. (And that is a job for the moderators)