National News Labour Leadership battle

Candidates below.........
Leader: Sir Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips & Emily Thornberry (aided by Clive Lewis jumping!).
Deputy: Angela Rayner, Ian Murray, Dawn Butler, Rosena Allin-Khan and Richard Burgon.

:sick: :sick: :ROFLMAO:
 
It strikes me that British politics should be able to sustain three major parties.

A right-wing party - pretty much where BoJo has taken the Tories today.
A socialist party - pretty much where Labour have headed over the past decade

And then a centrist party. Basically occupying the space that Blair won three elections from (just hopefully without his foreign policy and general God complex).

At one point under Ashdown/Kennedy/Clegg, it looked like we might be getting there.
But then Clegg made his deal with Cameron that buried the Lib Dems, they've failed to find any competent leadership since, and now we're back to a completely polar two-party system again.

Strikes me that the only way this this three-party system is going to be achieved now is likely through a dramatic Labour party schism. Like 1981, only turned up to eleven this time......
 
tonyw said:
It strikes me that British politics should be able to sustain three major parties.

A right-wing party - pretty much where BoJo has taken the Tories today.
A socialist party - pretty much where Labour have headed over the past decade

And then a centrist party. Basically occupying the space that Blair won three elections from (just hopefully without his foreign policy and general God complex).

At one point under Ashdown/Kennedy/Clegg, it looked like we might be getting there.
But then Clegg made his deal with Cameron that buried the Lib Dems, they've failed to find any competent leadership since, and now we're back to a completely polar two-party system again.

Strikes me that the only way this this three-party system is going to be achieved now is likely through a dramatic Labour party schism. Like 1981, only turned up to eleven this time......
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Good post @tonyw .....one factor hamstringing a centre or left leaning party having any degreeof success is the red top news papers, owned by billionaire tax exiles, whos edotorials are very right wing and basically print untruths about any non tory who might have the slimest chance of success, then follow up the untruths with smear campaigns
 
Sarge said:
Good post @tonyw .....one factor hamstringing a centre or left leaning party having any degreeof success is the red top news papers, owned by billionaire tax exiles, whos edotorials are very right wing and basically print untruths about any non tory who might have the slimest chance of success, then follow up the untruths with smear campaigns
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Does Labour even realise that blaming the media for their defeat is hugely patronising, effectively telling people they were duped by a few headlines.
It just alienates those voters they need to win back.
Unusually for a Guardian journalist, this one actually gets it:
www.politics.co.uk

Don't blame the media for Corbyn's failure - blame him

If the Corbynite arguments for why they lost were true, Labour should just give up and disband.
www.politics.co.uk www.politics.co.uk
"The Guardian is hostile to the Tories, the Mirror effectively turns into a Labour party press office during election time and the Jennifer Arcuri revelations about Boris Johnson first emerged in the Murdoch press."
 
The reality is a successful & electable party has to appeal to the middle ground.
Not "hard line" Left or Right voters they are a minority. The majority of us are (like it or not) somewhere in the middle.
There were aspects of the Labour manifesto I thought were good, same as the Conservatives, and I did what most people probably did and weighed up how it might impact on my life and voted accordingly.
Until Labour understand that and respect the electorate they, along with the Lib-Dumbs, are history.
Special mention for the Lib Dems who "nailed their colours to the mast" with a massive "Yuck-Fou" to the 17+ million who voted to Leave. That worked well.....
 
warksox said:
Does Labour even realise that blaming the media for their defeat is hugely patronising, effectively telling people they were duped by a few headlines.
It just alienates those voters they need to win back.
Unusually for a Guardian journalist, this one actually gets it:
www.politics.co.uk

Don't blame the media for Corbyn's failure - blame him

If the Corbynite arguments for why they lost were true, Labour should just give up and disband.
www.politics.co.uk www.politics.co.uk
"The Guardian is hostile to the Tories, the Mirror effectively turns into a Labour party press office during election time and the Jennifer Arcuri revelations about Boris Johnson first emerged in the Murdoch press."
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I see so many Labour activists are still blaming the press, same as their politicians. The "Murdoch press" as you say, are supportive of the Tories for the moment, but still get into any party if there is wrong doing or something dodgy.

As a Conservative, I like it as it means Labour will continue to be unelectable, but the wider picture is not good for British politics.

Tony W's point about a centrist party is a good one, but I think the issue there is the centre of politics in the UK has changed significantly in the past 5 years and the Lib Dems with a mad Brexit policy got lost in the shuffle and allowed the Tories this time around, to stomp all over the middle grouind.
 
This is an interesting blog from the film maker Alice Bragg on Corybism and the Labour party:
alicebragg.com

From Corbynista to Conservative - Alice Bragg

I really liked Jeremy Corbyn. When I was campaigning against the invasion of Iraq, he was a hero for me. Watching the dishonesty and malpractice in the build up to war was difficult when you’d been brought up within the Labour Party. After Iraq, I stepped away from politics completely…
alicebragg.com alicebragg.com
 
Gary Baldi said:
This is an interesting blog from the film maker Alice Bragg on Corybism and the Labour party:
alicebragg.com

From Corbynista to Conservative - Alice Bragg

I really liked Jeremy Corbyn. When I was campaigning against the invasion of Iraq, he was a hero for me. Watching the dishonesty and malpractice in the build up to war was difficult when you’d been brought up within the Labour Party. After Iraq, I stepped away from politics completely…
alicebragg.com alicebragg.com
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Really interesting view.

I read that Rebecca Long Bailey is favourite to become leader. I'm not sure that would be good for Labour winning the next election
 
Momentum (unsurprisingly) are backing Long-Bailey .... hmmm maybe backing from Momentum could be the kiss of death for her leadership aspirations , after all, big changes are required to get labour back to being electable (as a government

cut n paste from Momentum notification ....

The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! You can find the full breakdown here.

This election will determine the future of our party, and Rebecca is the only candidate who can build on our socialist agenda. We're launching a huge, people-powered campaign to get her elected.
 
I do hope they don't pick Long Bailey - didn't she say that she gave Corbyn 10/10?

At a time when we desperately need a viable and effective alternative/balance to those in power, that would be a disaster. They have to realise that it wasn't (just) the media that cost them, it was the (many) unfocused and (some) unrealistic policies along with the London-centric image and the influence of Momentum.
 
Sarge said:
Momentum (unsurprisingly) are backing Long-Bailey .... hmmm maybe backing from Momentum could be the kiss of death for her leadership aspirations , after all, big changes are required to get labour back to being electable (as a government

cut n paste from Momentum notification ....

The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! You can find the full breakdown here.

This election will determine the future of our party, and Rebecca is the only candidate who can build on our socialist agenda. We're launching a huge, people-powered campaign to get her elected.
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No surprise they backed Long-Bailey. When Momentum balloted their members on who should be the next leader, hers was the only candidate name on the ballot paper!
www.independent.co.uk

Momentum faces backlash over ‘ludicrous’ Labour leadership ballot of members

Organisation asks members to endorse Rebecca Long-Bailey in ‘confirmatory ballot’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
warksox said:
No surprise they backed Long-Bailey. When Momentum balloted their members on who should be the next leader, hers was the only candidate name on the ballot paper!
www.independent.co.uk

Momentum faces backlash over ‘ludicrous’ Labour leadership ballot of members

Organisation asks members to endorse Rebecca Long-Bailey in ‘confirmatory ballot’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Was this in.......

A: North Korea?
B: Russia?
C: Nazi Germany?

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:


And folk say Boris "ignores democracy"............. no folks we had a lucky escape.
 
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