Ex-Player Thread John Mousinho

[Toe knee]

Done a very good job, promotion plus in the championship for the 3rd year running.
How the hell can you argue with that.
In my opinion he's one we let go, to easily, I mean Robbo was training him up to become the next Oxford United manager.

 

[dickwalton1964]

So Mous & Bloomfield have done pretty much the same when it comes to results since MB took over, yet Mous has done a superb job and Bloomfield has failed?

I’ve thought we were down since Charlton away, the damage was done long before Bloomfield took over.

I agree that Bloomfield isn’t the main reason we are relegated. That said, he got us into a position of real strength and then sort of failed so it’s a strange one as to where to apportion blame. There were some really tepid performances late on that have killed us and I think he has to carry the can for these, just as he deserves the plaudits for earlier more positive results.

I can’t help but look at where he had Wycombe in L1, when they were going toe to toe with Birmingham and Wrexham, and thinking we should back him for next season. He has to start fast though otherwise, just as at Luton, the knives will be out. His interview recently when he said he’s heard nothing and he will carry on doing his job until told otherwise didn’t sound the most convincing in terms of job safety ! I guess we will find out in the coming days. Not sure where we’d go though if we were to part ways with him.

 

[dickwalton1964]

Done a very good job, promotion plus in the championship for the 3rd year running.
How the hell can you argue with that.
In my opinion he's one we let go, to easily, I mean Robbo was training him up to become the next Oxford United manager.

Agree. Around the time Des went and Rowett was drafted in I was suggesting Mousinho as a future Oxford manager in the coming seasons and got rubbished on here with people saying ‘no thanks, can do better’ - probably getting carried away thinking we’d arrived in the big time. You’d unquestionably take him now.

 

[SamLongSlidingTackle]

Bristol will be a hard place to go to for Mous. I would assume the pressure is about the same. Will be interesting to see what he does with their budget.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

I agree that Bloomfield isn’t the main reason we are relegated. That said, he got us into a position of real strength and then sort of failed so it’s a strange one as to where to apportion blame. There were some really tepid performances late on that have killed us and I think he has to carry the can for these, just as he deserves the plaudits for earlier more positive results.

I can’t help but look at where he had Wycombe in L1, when they were going toe to toe with Birmingham and Wrexham, and thinking we should back him for next season. He has to start fast though otherwise, just as at Luton, the knives will be out. His interview recently when he said he’s heard nothing and he will carry on doing his job until told otherwise didn’t sound the most convincing in terms of job safety ! I guess we will find out in the coming days. Not sure where we’d go though if we were to part ways with him.

I actually put a fair bit of the blame for the Derby and Wrexham performances onto the players. They looked like they just didn’t have the minerals to get us over the line.

If Bloomfield goes then I think most fans would want to look for a young, progressive, up and coming manager, a bit like, oh wait, Matt Bloomfield

I personally hope he stays and the club back him in the summer to build his own squad. Otherwise we are starting to become a bit of a hire and fire club.

 

[dickwalton1964]

I actually put a fair bit of the blame for the Derby and Wrexham performances onto the players. They looked like they just didn’t have the minerals to get us over the line.

If Bloomfield goes then I think most fans would want to look for a young, progressive, up and coming manager, a bit like, oh wait, Matt Bloomfield

I personally hope he stays and the club back him in the summer to build his own squad. Otherwise we are starting to become a bit of a hire and fire club.

Tend to agree with that - we’d be going through managers at a fair old rate if we were to dispense with him. Considering he’s had a good look at the club these past few months you’d think it makes more sense to stick with him rather than bring in someone who has to start from scratch. I do think we need to be ruthless on the player front though, currently carrying so much dead wood. I’ve quite liked Bloomfield’s lack of tinkering though compared to Rowett.

 

[Swaby39]

So Mous & Bloomfield have done pretty much the same when it comes to results since MB took over, yet Mous has done a superb job and Bloomfield has failed?

I’ve thought we were down since Charlton away, the damage was done long before Bloomfield took over.

Well Mous has had 3 objectives in the last 3 seasons; go up, stay up and stay up again. He’s done so pretty comfortably in all cases.

Bloomfield, by comparison, has had two half seasons and taken two sides down that had the resource to stay up. And when given a chance at continuity and to start a L1 season well, he didn’t. His CV is propped up by a very good effort but unfinished job at Wycombe where you start to wonder whether it was sentiment was the vital ingredient rather than his coaching prowess.

I think he will be back at Wycombe in the next 12 months.

You do find yourself looking for evidence that this is a guy who can lead one of the league favourites to promotion - because that’s the remit next year.

The argument around him is being built on “there’s no reason he can’t/wont” which isn’t nearly as strong as “he can/has before”. It’s hopeful and unsubstantiated where as if we appointed Mous tomorrow, we’d have a guy who can win the league and knows how to keep you up.

No comparison whatsoever between the two. Mous is fast becoming one of the most promising British coaches while we have one that’s doggy paddling for his level. Daft debate.

 

[dickwalton1964]

Well Mous has had 3 objectives in the last 3 seasons; go up, stay up and stay up again. He’s done so pretty comfortably in all cases.

Bloomfield, by comparison, has had two half seasons and taken two sides down that had the resource to stay up. And when given a chance at continuity and to start a L1 season well, he didn’t. His CV is propped up by a very good effort but unfinished job at Wycombe where you start to wonder whether it was sentiment was the vital ingredient rather than his coaching prowess.

I think he will be back at Wycombe in the next 12 months.

You do find yourself looking for evidence that this is a guy who can lead one of the league favourites to promotion - because that’s the remit next year.

The argument around him is being built on “there’s no reason he can’t/wont” which isn’t nearly as strong as the reverse. It’s hopeful and unsubstantiated where as if we appointed Mous tomorrow, we’d have a guy who can win the league and knows how to keep you up.

No comparison whatsoever between the two. Mous is fast becoming one of the most promising British coaches while we have one that’s doggy paddling for his level. Daft debate.

I get what you’re saying but there’s every chance, had he stayed, he’d have taken Wycombe up at the expense of Wrexham or Birmingham. That would have been a massively more impressive promotion than getting a club like Pompey out of L1. Nothing can be proved as he didn’t see the job through at Wycombe but they were churning out results week after week and were going brilliantly. Yes, Pompey have stayed up impressively this season but a bit more of a scramble last season. Have they really kicked on this year though ? I like Mous and he’s done great in management but may be a bit of perspective in terms of the respective clubs and their positions Bloomfield has had compared to be handed probably the biggest club in L1 at the time.

 

[ubermeistervonmeat]

Look at the form table since Bloomfield took over - we are not in the relegation zone based on it.

We are relegated because of the damage done beforehand, poor individual errors, relegation rivals going on unbeaten runs as well as fearful tactics from MB at times when we needed to go for results. MB is not the one and only definitive reason why we are playing in League One next season.

Yes that is true but he is one of the contributors which doesn't bode well for next season as there appears to be no likelihood of any of them (including some even more culpable) being axed

 

[Swaby39]

I get what you’re saying but there’s every chance, had he stayed, he’d have taken Wycombe up at the expense of Wrexham or Birmingham. That would have been a massively more impressive promotion than getting a club like Pompey out of L1. Nothing can be proved as he didn’t see the job through at Wycombe but they were churning out results week after week and were going brilliantly. Yes, Pompey have stayed up impressively this season but a bit more of a scramble last season. Have they really kicked on this year though ? I like Mous and he’s done great in management but may be a bit of perspective in terms of the respective clubs and their positions Bloomfield has had compared to be handed probably the biggest club in L1 at the time.

But he didn’t, so he hasn’t, much the same way Manning doesn’t get the credit he deserves here because he decided to capitalise on his stock being high. That’s the risk they took and now both of them find themselves back where they began, having achieved very little, just a lot richer. I have no issue with that btw, but as managers they’ve proved nothing so far. Manning at least managed the play offs but outside of that he’s really lost his way and may look at Mous now and think he ought to have followed that blueprint with us.

Mous has exceeded them both by playing the long game and his credentials are far better for it.

You say they haven’t kicked on but what did they give him to make that happen? Very little as far as I can see, certainly nothing remotely close to what we’ve spent and he’s been missing their best player for most of the season who’s probably sat on 10-15% of their wage bill on his own!

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

Since Bloomfield’s first game in charge with us, Pompey have won 7 games, Oxford have won 6.

Six 'Likes' for your post so it's worth calling out the incorrect (or deliberately misleading) stats here, as that's how myths take hold as accepted facts.

Since Bloomfield took over we have indeed won six. Pompey, though, have won  eight.

If you meant after the first game then it's technically correct but it's also completely disingenuous because it omits (for no apparent reason) a matchday where we failed to win (at home to Bristol City - no reason why we couldn't have done) and Portsmouth did.

It's six and eight wins respectively since Bloomfield took over - that's the actual figures.

And not only do they render your whole 'we have done as well as Pompey since Bloomfield took over' point completely redundant, there's also a more critical point about Pompey winning eight games in that timeframe - if we had won as many as eight games under Bloomfield we'd probably be staying up.

 

[ECYellow]

Mousinho has had the benefit of being employed at his position for much longer and given time when he could easily have been sacked.

I'm refusing to compare the two until Bloomfield has had a full season here.

I'll go out on a limb and say Bloomfield will not last a full season with us. I just cannot see the pedigree to suggest that he will have us near it come November/December, and recent history suggests that our ownership will make the change.

Managers do not get full seasons anymore, very often. He had a very good opportunity this season, with much improved squad options compared to his predessesor, and fluffed his lines with 4 home wins in 11 when it really mattered.

I'd love him to prove me wrong, but i doubt it.

 

[Eaststanding]

I swear to god that Mousinho’s wife, children and parents are all posters on this forum.
He’s not coming back, time to get over it ffs.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I swear to god that Mousinho’s wife, children and parents are all posters on this forum.
He’s not coming back, time to get over it ffs.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he came back at some point, though not in the near future, and not because he loves us - he’s a promising manager who’s mainly worked in the south and has a connection with us.

 

[West Oxon U’s]

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Bristol City would finish between 8th and 13th regardless of their manager, it's what they do!