Away Match Day Thread 17/02/2024 L1: Wycombe Wanderers v OUFC

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maidenheadox said:
Where does this idea that we're spending on a similar level to Pompey and Derby come from? You just need to look at the squads and recent transfers to see this almost certainly isn't the case.
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We most certainly are spending on a similar level to those two.

You'll have to trust me on how I know, but my information is that we have a higher playing budget than Portsmouth and lower than Derby, and are in the very top group of clubs in League One.

The playing budget, though, does include some high earners who are not contributing. Findlay and Seddon are out on loan, with only a small percentage of their wages being paid by Kilmarnock and Burton respectively. We also have six players, all among our highest earners, who have been here all season (and are still here) who between them have contributed 81% of our total minutes played. In other words, each of those six has played on average less than14% of the available minutes. This is where much of our budget is going. These six, plus Findlay and Seddon, are costing us in the region of £35,000 per week. That's over £1.8m per annum for the equivalent of less than one player who plays all minutes available!

It's wrong to say that we're not spending at the same level of the aforementioned clubs, we most certainly are. That we have not spent that money wisely is the issue.
 
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West Oxon U’s said:
Leyton Orient can look a top side at times - won 3-0 at Portsmouth , beat in form Northampton 4-3 last Tuesday night also beat Bolton at home.

Yesterday they lost at home to Burton. Unpredictable.
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Northampton had lost 3 and drawn 1 in the 4 games before so they were not in form at the time.
 
Colin B said:
We most certainly are spending on a similar level to those two.

You'll have to trust me on how I know, but my information is that we have a higher playing budget than Portsmouth and lower than Derby, and are in the very top group of clubs in League One.

The playing budget, though, does include some high earners who are not contributing. Findlay and Seddon are out on loan, with only a small percentage of their wages being paid by Kilmarnock and Burton respectively. We also have six players, all among our highest earners, who have been here all season (and are still here) who between them have contributed 81% of our total minutes played. In other words, each of those six has played on average only 16% of the available minutes. This is where much of our budget is going. These six, plus Findlay and Seddon, are costing us in the region of £35,000 per week. That's over £1.8m per annum for the equivalent of less than one player who plays all minutes available!

It's wrong to say that we're not spending at the same level of the aforementioned clubs, we most certainly are. That we have not spent that money wisely is the issue.
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I know you are not specifically commenting on Buckingham having this budget. However, given what you have said one can presume that said players are either long term injuries or simply not up to being a top L1 player, none of which is Buckinghams fault. As such I don't think it is fair for anyone to say Buckingham has a top L1 budget at his disposal given he has inherited this.
 
Followtheox1 said:
I know you are not specifically commenting on Buckingham having this budget. However, given what you have said one can presume that said players are either long term injuries or simply not up to being a top L1 player, none of which is Buckinghams fault. As such I don't think it is fair for anyone to say Buckingham has a top L1 budget at his disposal given he has inherited this.
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I never said it was his fault, which I think you're agreeing with?

All of the above pre-dates Des Buckingham, and about 75% of it pre-dates Manning. It is the spending on ineffective (whether injured or not good enough) players before that, which is inflating our current playing budget.
 
Colin B said:
I never said it was his fault, which I think you're agreeing with?

All of the above pre-dates Des Buckingham, and about 75% of it pre-dates Manning. It is the spending on ineffective (whether injured or not good enough) players before that, which is inflating our current playing budget.
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Yes, the first part of my post was trying to say that I know your post is not criticising Buckingham in all of this and the second part was just my observation on the situation.
 
Colin B said:
We most certainly are spending on a similar level to those two.

You'll have to trust me on how I know, but my information is that we have a higher playing budget than Portsmouth and lower than Derby, and are in the very top group of clubs in League One.

The playing budget, though, does include some high earners who are not contributing. Findlay and Seddon are out on loan, with only a small percentage of their wages being paid by Kilmarnock and Burton respectively. We also have six players, all among our highest earners, who have been here all season (and are still here) who between them have contributed 81% of our total minutes played. In other words, each of those six has played on average only 16% of the available minutes. This is where much of our budget is going. These six, plus Findlay and Seddon, are costing us in the region of £35,000 per week. That's over £1.8m per annum for the equivalent of less than one player who plays all minutes available!

It's wrong to say that we're not spending at the same level of the aforementioned clubs, we most certainly are. That we have not spent that money wisely is the issue.
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The Findlay deal has turned into a nightmare. We waited four years to get rid of Hanson and within weeks of releasing him had signed someone else for another four years, on even higher wages than Hanson was on, who will end up playing even less games for the club. Kilmarnock are paying peanuts to have him on loan, and sadly I can’t see that changing for another two years unless we’re willing to write him a cheque for the best part of half a million quid.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
The Findlay deal has turned into a nightmare. We waited four years to get rid of Hanson and within weeks of releasing him had signed someone else for another four years, on even higher wages than Hanson was on, who will end up playing even less games for the club. Kilmarnock are paying peanuts to have him on loan, and sadly I can’t see that changing for another two years unless we’re willing to write him a cheque for the best part of half a million quid.
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We can only hope that somehow Celtic or Rangers like the look of him (very doubtful I know). When is Seddon out of contract?
 
This football club is being sorely mismanaged off the pitch. And, in my view, on it by Buckingham, but I can appreciate he doesn't have the easiest situation to deal with. If we were well run there is absolutely no reason we couldn't be competing with the likes of Portsmouth and Derby. It saddens me we missed the boat on Mous, but nothing we can do about that now.

I'd consider if I was Buckingham going 4-4 (f****ng) 2, and making the instructions as simple as possible for the boys.

I think if Bennett was fit, Greg as a left winger would make us very solid on the left. Leigh could help out on the left defensively as well as being dangerous going forward.

We could start with a flat midfield 4 and then if the game dictated bring on Ruben and some wingers and go into a 4-2-3-1.

I doubt the pace of Harris and the physicality of Goodwin would make an easy afternoon for any League One centre back.

The performances HAVE to improve, because I know this bunch of players is capable of showing far more than we are seeing on the pitch. We looked like a mid-table hoofball team yesterday for 70 minutes, and that's being generous. Buckingham's been here 20+ games and I don't think one single fan knows what he wants, what he's trying to implement, or what the hell is going on.
 
Wandering Yellow said:
This football club is being sorely mismanaged off the pitch. And, in my view, on it by Buckingham, but I can appreciate he doesn't have the easiest situation to deal with. If we were well run there is absolutely no reason we couldn't be competing with the likes of Portsmouth and Derby. It saddens me we missed the boat on Mous, but nothing we can do about that now.

I'd consider if I was Buckingham going 4-4 (f****ng) 2, and making the instructions as simple as possible for the boys.

I think if Bennett was fit, Greg as a left winger would make us very solid on the left. Leigh could help out on the left defensively as well as being dangerous going forward.

We could start with a flat midfield 4 and then if the game dictated bring on Ruben and some wingers and go into a 4-2-3-1.

I doubt the pace of Harris and the physicality of Goodwin would make an easy afternoon for any League One centre back.

The performances HAVE to improve, because I know this bunch of players is capable of showing far more than we are seeing on the pitch. We looked like a mid-table hoofball team yesterday for 70 minutes, and that's being generous. Buckingham's been here 20+ games and I don't think one single fan knows what he wants, what he's trying to implement, or what the hell is going on.
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If this group of players are capable of showing far more, why are they not doing so now?
 
Wandering Yellow said:
This football club is being sorely mismanaged off the pitch. And, in my view, on it by Buckingham, but I can appreciate he doesn't have the easiest situation to deal with. If we were well run there is absolutely no reason we couldn't be competing with the likes of Portsmouth and Derby. It saddens me we missed the boat on Mous, but nothing we can do about that now.

I'd consider if I was Buckingham going 4-4 (f****ng) 2, and making the instructions as simple as possible for the boys.

I think if Bennett was fit, Greg as a left winger would make us very solid on the left. Leigh could help out on the left defensively as well as being dangerous going forward.

We could start with a flat midfield 4 and then if the game dictated bring on Ruben and some wingers and go into a 4-2-3-1.

I doubt the pace of Harris and the physicality of Goodwin would make an easy afternoon for any League One centre back.

The performances HAVE to improve, because I know this bunch of players is capable of showing far more than we are seeing on the pitch. We looked like a mid-table hoofball team yesterday for 70 minutes, and that's being generous. Buckingham's been here 20+ games and I don't think one single fan knows what he wants, what he's trying to implement, or what the hell is going on.
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Could you say it a few more times?
 
Scotchegg said:
If this group of players are capable of showing far more, why are they not doing so now?
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Because of the manager. We have seen they are capable of showing more under Manning. It's a confused mess and if you don't think the coaching is affecting the team that's on you.
 
Has leigh played much on the other side? Or is that idea based more on "he is really good so could probably handle it"
 
Wandering Yellow said:
Because of the manager. We have seen they are capable of showing more under Manning. It's a confused mess and if you don't think the coaching is affecting the team that's on you.
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What's changed in the coaching or style of play? The same players are pretty much playing in the same positions as under Manning. The difference is that we've had other key players out, or those that we have got are knackered. McGuane hasn't suddenly been coached differently, he's just been over played because there have been no alternatives. Ciaron Brown has looked jaded recently, Elliott Moore playing with an injury. Leigh has struggled since his injury. We've had no consistency with the wide players.

If you can't see that this is down to fatigue and a weakened squad then that's on you.
 
LeftSideLarry said:
No one is.

But you (and others) don’t need to keep writing the same stuff over and over again.
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Plenty are trying to justify how we have played under Buckingham

"Good point on the road", "still in the mix!" totally ignoring the fact the performances have been painful. Even in the first half vs Wigan we were painful.

I have more sympathy for "he needs more help" (Whether he wants it or not, I'd be looking for an ex-first team EFL manager to join him as assistant), and that he is working for a club mismanaged by the Chuckle Brothers off the pitch. Manning was a far superior manager and that is incredibly frustrating.

You say I keep saying it, and maybe I do, but not seeing the plan is so so so concerning. Not everyone is a die-hard. How many supporters will dig deep into their pockets to buy season tickets next season if we keep serving up this utter dross?
 
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