New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

[Sarge]

someone suggested extending parkway station platform under Oxford road the other day - ( or perhaps have a walkway from Parkway station under Oxford rd) with a stairway up to the Stadium side of Oxford road - would be cheaper to install than a full underpass and/or a pedestrian bridge Idve thought?

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

someone suggested extending parkway station platform under Oxford road the other day - ( or perhaps have a walkway from Parkway station under Oxford rd) with a stairway up to the Stadium side of Oxford road - would be cheaper to install than a full underpass and/or a pedestrian bridge Idve thought?

Why when you can just close the road for a few hours every fortnight during the football season?!

 

[ECYellow]

You also make the stadium somewhere people want to be for longer. That way the arrival and departure times are spread out. I can't find the stats I read at some point this year, but at the new Spurs ground the average time people spend there is longer because there are nice bars and places to eat.

At Spurs, they have live music in a couple of areas of the concourse post match. It looks really good!

 

[RgYellows]

How much cost would an underpass add to a £100M project? We aren't ever paying off £100M with our relatively modest income as it stands...

Might as well never pay off £110m instead then

 

[Older Shotts]

At Spurs, they have live music in a couple of areas of the concourse post match. It looks really good!

With the cost of their match tickets, the punters have got to get some sort of enterainment somewhere, i suppose

 

[Jonny G]

I'm just waiting for their "The windmills on the new stadium will kill all the whales" argument...and then we know they'll have gone full Trump.

Gavin Whyte statue?!

 

[holdsteady]

At Spurs, they have live music in a couple of areas of the concourse post match. It looks really good!

Coldplay tribute act finishing up with a rousing rendition of Yellow.

 

[unification]

Forgive the grainy quality but this was the graphic of the bridge when the club held the first round of public events regarding the stadium in the summer. It seemed to situate the pedestrian bridge further up Oxford Road and beyond the A34 below it so that pedestrians could cross into the south east corner of the new development.

I'm no civil engineer (although I have worked with plenty), but from a building perspective a footbridge like this would be relatively inexpensive to do since you see them over railway lines often. However, from an inclusivity perspective its a no go since there's no provision for those with pushchairs, on bicycles or those with reduced mobility. It would also have to be large enough to accommodate a large number of people going over it post match.

The second issue is that it funnels everyone leaving towards the station along the narrow footpath on the eastern side of Oxford Road back to the station. That could see people spill out onto the road unless carefully managed. PRB said to me that they were considering a bridge similar to that crossing the ring road in Cutteslowe. That's quite a large structure and you wonder whether we have the space - and more importantly permissions - to include something like that.

An underpass would have the same issues because it would be outrageously expensive to tunnel under the A34 and Oxford Road.

I hope the club have a solution or two up their sleeve as this to me still feels like a compromise based on what was suggested. Still, if they can build a stadium in that tiny slot of land for Brentford, anything is still possible.

 

[ljs]

Wonder if we will get a light show built in. Brentford have one in their new stadium and it seems to be the trend. Unsure how I feel about them, but understand how they add to the spectacle, especially for the day trippers! Note how Brentford us the screens to good affect. We really don't use ours as well as we could.

What do people think of this?

We probably won't be able to do that.

Although led's, our lighting will only be to championship/league 1 spec (AFL guy info). In the premiership the lighting has to be to a higher spec to cater for 4k and multiple cameras.

 

[ljs]

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Forgive the grainy quality but this was the graphic of the bridge when the club held the first round of public events regarding the stadium in the summer. It seemed to situate the pedestrian bridge further up Oxford Road and beyond the A34 below it so that pedestrians could cross into the south east corner of the new development.

I'm no civil engineer (although I have worked with plenty), but from a building perspective a footbridge like this would be relatively inexpensive to do since you see them over railway lines often. However, from an inclusivity perspective its a no go since there's no provision for those with pushchairs, on bicycles or those with reduced mobility. It would also have to be large enough to accommodate a large number of people going over it post match.

The second issue is that it funnels everyone leaving towards the station along the narrow footpath on the eastern side of Oxford Road back to the station. That could see people spill out onto the road unless carefully managed. PRB said to me that they were considering a bridge similar to that crossing the ring road in Cutteslowe. That's quite a large structure and you wonder whether we have the space - and more importantly permissions - to include something like that.

An underpass would have the same issues because it would be outrageously expensive to tunnel under the A34 and Oxford Road.

I hope the club have a solution or two up their sleeve as this to me still feels like a compromise based on what was suggested. Still, if they can build a stadium in that tiny slot of land for Brentford, anything is still possible.

Make the bridge wider and temporarily close of bus lane to traffic.

Still allows north and south traffic lanes to be open

 

[ECYellow]

Have we had any clear indication of how the stadium is being funded? Is the £100m going to be a debt against the football club?

I assume that the £100m is not going to be a 'gesture of goodwill'?

 

[Osei Yaw]

Coldplay tribute act finishing up with a rousing rendition of Yellow.

@SteMerritt

 

[SteMerritt]

@SteMerritt

Yeah I did see it, still shaking my head in disgust.

 

[Colin B]

We probably won't be able to do that.

Although led's, our lighting will only be to championship/league 1 spec (AFL guy info). In the premiership the lighting has to be to a higher spec to cater for 4k and multiple cameras.

You don't need "Premier League specification lighting" to do a light show. Colour change LEDs have nothing to do with the performance of the pitch floodlights. That seems a strange, and shortsighted, comment from the architect.

I speak as somebody that ran an exterior lighting company for many years.

 

[Scrongo]

People must remember the pathways along the Oxford road, on both sides of the road are narrow especially on the bridge crossing the A34.
not only are they . footpaths, they are both cycle paths. To & from Town. It definitely needs a big overhaul..

 

[Colin B]

A small point on road closure (that's singular, not plural, as it is one road that may close, in fact it's part of one road) but in my opinion an important one.

The narrative seems to have become "road closures" but it is only one. The antis are using this description all of the time, and it implies multiple roads being closed. I think we, and the club, should use the term "temporary road closure" instead. It is far closer to the reality and doesn't sound so alarmist.

Furthermore, I cannot for the life of me understand why that section of the Oxford Road would need to be closed for TWO WHOLE HOURS after each game. 20/30 minutes should be ample. If you go past any football stadium an hour after the game has finished it's like a ghost town, so two hours seems incredibly excessive. Again, I feel the club need to get hold of this narrative now, before it gets out of hand.

There are some great things regarding the new stadium, but I do think the club/its advisors hasn't presented some of these issues as well as they could have in order to mitigate the obvious negativity that was going to come from certain quarters.

 

[NorthWestOx]

Whilst I agree with those who say closing a road for a few hours on matchday will not overly inconvenience the residents of Kidlington, it is very easy for us to say that, I would hope the club recognise we need as few barriers as possible to allow the locals to support it, coming up with a better solution to move fans is a significant one in my mind.

You'd think that an underpass under the Oxford Road would be possible which would take fans to what will eventually be a new housing estate, from there you possibly could take fans over the A34 and use the existing rail line bridge to get to the other platform.

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The new housing estate is a good point, it would be beneficial to the Housing developer and also Chiltern Railways to provide easy access to the railway station.
They could, by way of the blue bridge (though Yellow would look better!) do half the job for us.

 

[LeftSideLarry]

A small point on road closure (that's singular, not plural, as it is one road that may close, in fact it's part of one road) but in my opinion an important one.

The narrative seems to have become "road closures" but it is only one. The antis are using this description all of the time, and it implies multiple roads being closed. I think we, and the club, should use the term "temporary road closure" instead. It is far closer to the reality and doesn't sound so alarmist.

Furthermore, I cannot for the life of me understand why that section of the Oxford Road would need to be closed for TWO WHOLE HOURS after each game. 20/30 minutes should be ample. If you go past any football stadium an hour after the game has finished it's like a ghost town, so two hours seems incredibly excessive. Again, I feel the club need to get hold of this narrative now, before it gets out of hand.

There are some great things regarding the new stadium, but I do think the club/its advisors hasn't presented some of these issues as well as they could have in order to mitigate the obvious negativity that was going to come from certain quarters.

I agree with this.

Also, IM continues to use this from the EIA Scoping document submitted to CDC by the club:

8.53 The football stadium is likely to be at capacity two days per week, one weekday and one weekend, outside of the peak highway periods and only for a limited time prior to kick off and at the end of the match.

It’s a massive oversight and error from the club and the opposition are using this as ‘proof’ of the scale of the problem. It’s mighty hard to argue when the club’s team itself has given them the ammo.

 

[WuTang]

A small point on road closure (that's singular, not plural, as it is one road that may close, in fact it's part of one road) but in my opinion an important one.

The narrative seems to have become "road closures" but it is only one. The antis are using this description all of the time, and it implies multiple roads being closed. I think we, and the club, should use the term "temporary road closure" instead. It is far closer to the reality and doesn't sound so alarmist.

Furthermore, I cannot for the life of me understand why that section of the Oxford Road would need to be closed for TWO WHOLE HOURS after each game. 20/30 minutes should be ample. If you go past any football stadium an hour after the game has finished it's like a ghost town, so two hours seems incredibly excessive. Again, I feel the club need to get hold of this narrative now, before it gets out of hand.

There are some great things regarding the new stadium, but I do think the club/its advisors hasn't presented some of these issues as well as they could have in order to mitigate the obvious negativity that was going to come from certain quarters.

Excellent points Colin. Do you believe that the council may step in and start working on Oxford Road, ie widening paths, cycle lanes, bus / taxi lanes, underpasses, bridges, station exits etc, but this is all dependent on OUFC actually gaining planning permission first? With this all being outside the clubs plot of land I can't see how the club can commit to any of this, but once the stadium is absolutely confirmed following planning permission surely these possibilities can open up?

 

[ljs]

A small point on road closure (that's singular, not plural, as it is one road that may close, in fact it's part of one road) but in my opinion an important one.

The narrative seems to have become "road closures" but it is only one. The antis are using this description all of the time, and it implies multiple roads being closed. I think we, and the club, should use the term "temporary road closure" instead. It is far closer to the reality and doesn't sound so alarmist.

Furthermore, I cannot for the life of me understand why that section of the Oxford Road would need to be closed for TWO WHOLE HOURS after each game. 20/30 minutes should be ample. If you go past any football stadium an hour after the game has finished it's like a ghost town, so two hours seems incredibly excessive. Again, I feel the club need to get hold of this narrative now, before it gets out of hand.

There are some great things regarding the new stadium, but I do think the club/its advisors hasn't presented some of these issues as well as they could have in order to mitigate the obvious negativity that was going to come from certain quarters.

I think the chap yesterday said they would be able to close for UP TO 2 hours, but would most likely be less. I did say 20 minutes after the match everyone would have gone.