Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

[Oufcrealist]

So not 4 years of failure then.

But a lack of success in itself is failure. We are in no better position than when he took over. He's had long enough.

 

[mooro]

And I actually believed you when you posted a while back that your real name was Scott Chegg.
Doh.

I wasn't convinced, but I oh so wanted it to be true!!

 

[mooro]

The season we got to the playoff final, I will take. We were incredibly naive in the final, fell for Wycombe's tricks and gave them far too much respect. But we had been largely excellent and so not a failure

Second season, it was an incredible set of last day results (Thanks Toby Savin) that got us in, and we were then completely and utterly humiliated. Made Blackpool look like Brazil. Looked tactically unprepared and bullied. Lessons learned we were told. I would say it was failure but I understand why some would say it was not.

That moves us into last season. Our form was utterly dreadful and we missed out by miles. Despite opportunities in the January to rectify we chose not to. Played some lovely football but counted for zilch. Utter utter failure.

Having said that, the faults were hugely obvious. 3-4 key signings is all that was needed. In the right places.i watched the summers dealings in absolute horror, and when my contact told me we were only bringing in Anderson on deadline day my jaw hit the floor. Complacency, eyes off the ball, arrogance, structural issues, whatever. To be looking down the barrel at League two 2 seasons after the playoff final is absolute failure.

It's over.

I may be in a minority on this, but I actually think that we were better last season than the one before, in terms of results, style, excitement and squad, and indeed in terms of challenging for promotion.

I know we finished 8th rather than 6th, but I would say we were more involved in the race throughout the season.

Put another way, I look at it like two stages in the tour de France. Last season we in an 8 strong breakaway group and were still right in the battle up the last climb but didn't quite have the legs for the sprint and tailed off over the last couple of hundred yards but still finished clear of the pack.
Whereas the previous season there was a five strong breakaway and we just managed to win the sprint amongst the pelaton two minutes later back down the road to grab sixth.
So a higher finish position, but never as actually involved at the top.

Put another, another way, my feeling is that last season's squad would have finished in the top six the previous season by right and perhaps done better in the playoffs, whereas the previous season's squad would have probably bumbled along with Ipswich and Pompey last season, just out of touch of the playoffs battle.

Doesn't affect where we are today of course, but I just feel we've been relatively consistently there or thereabouts in recent times and were looking set to do so again, rather than this idea that we are three seasons into a downward spiral towards oblivion (aka league 2)

 

[Mellowyellow]

But a lack of success in itself is failure. We are in no better position than when he took over. He's had long enough.

You are so right, then there are those people who say what they want people to hear, yet still look to justify their real position.
Egg and his Clappys cant seem to grasp the notion that it's not about a couple of wins keeping him in a job, but 5 years of achieving nothing. Getting to a play off doesn't equate to winning anything. When managers grasp at straws, such as fowler coming in to coach forwards, the majority of whom are consistently injured, they know their time is up.
Look at Southampton, manager totally underachieving, having gotten the backing after two years, regardless of two 9-0 defeats, he's gone, with Nathan Jones more than likely appointed within a few days.
Oh for that kind of clarity.
KR OUT!

 

[m]

You are so right, then there are those people who say what they want people to hear, yet still look to justify their real position.

Deserves repeating that.

 

[Scrongo]

To me the 20/21 season wasn't failure or success. It was void to me, due to the season ending due to COVID . Who's to say ,we could of gone up automatically, stayed in a playoff place, or bottled it . To me it was a farce. For Wycombe to get promoted from their standing when the season came to a halt

 

[holdsteady]

To me the 20/21 season wasn't failure or success. It was void to me, due to the season ending due to COVID . Who's to say ,we could of gone up automatically, stayed in a playoff place, or bottled it . To me it was a farce. For Wycombe to get promoted from their standing when the season came to a halt

It was never a proper season, we will never know how it would of actually turned out and the play offs were a farce, 4 unfit undercooked teams putts in poor performances.

 

[The mighty Aldo]

You are so right, then there are those people who say what they want people to hear, yet still look to justify their real position.
Egg and his Clappys cant seem to grasp the notion that it's not about a couple of wins keeping him in a job, but 5 years of achieving nothing. Getting to a play off doesn't equate to winning anything. When managers grasp at straws, such as fowler coming in to coach forwards, the majority of whom are consistently injured, they know their time is up.
Look at Southampton, manager totally underachieving, having gotten the backing after two years, regardless of two 9-0 defeats, he's gone, with Nathan Jones more than likely appointed within a few days.
Oh for that kind of clarity.
KR OUT!

I think you misrepresent Scotchegg and others

Not sure when you wanted KR out, some people said he should go after losing the Blackpool game but as I recall most people said one more year.
We we’re in a very good position until March when the poor January window caught up with us.
Quite a lot of people questioned whether he should stay or not.I was on the fence but thought we’ve seen great football if we improve on this team we will surely get to the playoffs.
After the disastrous summer window and poor start the majority want to see him gone.
Fans have come to the same conclusion but at different points.

Also you say Southampton totally underachieving. I would say that outside the big six clubs the best they could ever hope for is seventh and my friend who supports Everton says just staying up is an achievement anything else is a bonus.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I think you misrepresent Scotchegg and others

Not sure when you wanted KR out, some people said he should go after losing the Blackpool game but as I recall most people said one more year.
We we’re in a very good position until March when the poor January window caught up with us.
Quite a lot of people questioned whether he should stay or not.I was on the fence but thought we’ve seen great football if we improve on this team we will surely get to the playoffs.
After the disastrous summer window and poor start the majority want to see him gone.
Fans have come to the same conclusion but at different points.

Also you say Southampton totally underachieving. I would say that outside the big six clubs the best they could ever hope for is seventh and my friend who supports Everton says just staying up is an achievement anything else is a bonus.

Southampton have been in the PL for most of the last twenty years which is great for them. When I was a kid they were div 2 or 3 and they could easily be there now with West Brom, Boro, etc.

 

[brassmonkey]

Not only is it a reasonable summary, it also highlights the fallacy of hoping for the playoffs as a marker of success. They are an absolute lottery that can go any way. Everyone remembers us bottling the final, but few remember that we were fairly lucky against Pompey beforehand.

Squeezing in to the last playoff place should not be the goal of any ambitious club or manager.

Remember eastwood getting away with some really dodgy keeping in the semi final and then we all know how he performed in the final. Was calling for him to be replaced months earlier than that and hes still number one 3 years later!

 

[Chippy]

It was never a proper season, we will never know how it would of actually turned out and the play offs were a farce, 4 unfit undercooked teams putts in poor performances.

Agree it wasn’t a proper season and we’d never know how things would have really worked out.

However I’m not sure the 4 unfit and undercooked teams theory is accurate. I wouldn’t say the big strong and athletic Blackpool side, that we were then going to aspire to be like the following season, wasn’t prepared.

We‘ve had 3 transfers windows since then and consistently failed to sign the types of players needed at League One level to get promoted and to then form the basis of a Championship side.

 

[bazzer9461]

Just something I’ve picked up of FB

Supercomputer reveals the probability of Oxford United being relegated this season - Do you agree?

It has not been an ideal start to the new League One season for Oxford United.

footballleagueworld.co.uk

 

[Yellow There!]

You are so right, then there are those people who say what they want people to hear, yet still look to justify their real position.

I’m feeling a cheeky ‘oh the irony’ coming on

 

[m]

Agree it wasn’t a proper season and we’d never know how things would have really worked out.

However I’m not sure the 4 unfit and undercooked teams theory is accurate. I wouldn’t say the big strong and athletic Blackpool side, that we were then going to aspire to be like the following season, wasn’t prepared.

We‘ve had 3 transfers windows since then and consistently failed to sign the types of players needed at League One level to get promoted and to then form the basis of a Championship side.

It didn't really matter whether Blackpool were prepared or not given that they finished 13th.

 

[holdsteady]

Agree it wasn’t a proper season and we’d never know how things would have really worked out.

However I’m not sure the 4 unfit and undercooked teams theory is accurate. I wouldn’t say the big strong and athletic Blackpool side, that we were then going to aspire to be like the following season, wasn’t prepared.

We‘ve had 3 transfers windows since then and consistently failed to sign the types of players needed at League One level to get promoted and to then form the basis of a Championship side.

We played Pompey then Wycombe in 3 pretty low standard games in the play offs that season.

 

[horseman]

so it continues, round and round in circles on here.

No Manager will be at a Football club forever so it follows that oneday you'll become this mythical Happy Clappers and get your wish. next game, the one after, in 3 months it will come to pass.

Until then do we have to keep reading the same stuff

 

[Oxymoron]

Just something I’ve picked up of FB

Supercomputer reveals the probability of Oxford United being relegated this season - Do you agree?

It has not been an ideal start to the new League One season for Oxford United.

footballleagueworld.co.uk

And that synopsis is why I feel the board are prepared to stick with Robinson, get the behind the scenes systems and personnel in place to support him and see if he can replicate those top six finishes.

Maybe it's too late for this season but a steady climb will convince them that they have steadied the ship and are now back on course. However with a properly organised management structure to support him, he will have absolutely no excuse not to deliver.

 

[m]

And that synopsis is why I feel the board are prepared to stick with Robinson, get the behind the scenes systems and personnel in place to support him and see if he can replicate those top six finishes.

Maybe it's too late for this season but a steady climb will convince them that they have steadied the ship and are now back on course. However with a properly organised management structure to support him, he will have absolutely no excuse not to deliver.

That's the only explanation that I can think of.

For all of Robinson's faults It's very clear that there were systemic failures within the club.

 

[ljs]

Just something I’ve picked up of FB

Supercomputer reveals the probability of Oxford United being relegated this season - Do you agree?

It has not been an ideal start to the new League One season for Oxford United.

footballleagueworld.co.uk

Quote... "The website uses a scientific model that is based on a large database of advanced in-game statistics, which can be used to determine how good a team really is without the noise of results.

Because, while results are everything, they don’t actually tell the whole story.

As far as Oxford are concerned, their results this season do not match with how they have performed."


Without the noise of results! What a load of B*****s.

 

[tatabanya]

Quote... "The website uses a scientific model that is based on a large database of advanced in-game statistics, which can be used to determine how good a team really is without the noise of results.

Because, while results are everything, they don’t actually tell the whole story.

As far as Oxford are concerned, their results this season do not match with how they have performed."


Without the noise of results! What a load of B*****s.

Have a look at world club football over the last decade, and see how process-driven clubs fare against pure results. If it’s ‘B*****s’ then something very weird is going on.