Transfer News Transfer Window Summer 21

[OxfordYankee]

Bournemouth are apparently in for him and the price is said to be £400,000.

Excellent news.

 

[Mad Dog]

That's an oversimplification of what I said. If the championship clubs were offering barely any extra wage and a s**t fee, or if the offers were from league one clubs, then no it wouldn't be selfish to tell Atkinson to stay. The fact is the championship clubs can offer significantly higher wage than we can, and if we stand in the way of someone with the opportunity to get that wage and that higher league opportunity then it puts the message out to future acquisitions that we don't have their best interests at heart and they'll go elsewhere. It's not being a soft touch, it's what convinces players of the quality we've seen the last few years to pick us. McGuane for example may have told us to sod off if he'd seen us keep an unhappy Dickie in the camp last season.

I know it sucks thinking about "what if", but the fact is we wouldn't be able to think about "what if" if we didn't follow this model.

It's not like I'm suggesting telling a player he isn't leaving, for any price, or we should keep him here for the entirety of his contract, which would make us look unappealing to potential signings, but we shouldn't be letting a player of his quality and potential leave, after one season, for £1.6m, when he's already worth more than that, and in a years time, will be worth even more.

Players aren't just sold, for less than their worth, so they can leave to triple their wages, for fear of putting off potential future signings, most clubs will make sure they get their money's worth, and will sell when the timings right for them, and future players will still want to join them, Peterborough do it every year, and get such good money when they sell, because they obviously play hardball, and are no soft touches, or pushovers, they get the right prices for their players, and they sell when it's right for them, as they recognise that their own needs are just as important as the players needs, but it doesn't put players off does it, players keep going there.

If Atkinson was at Peterborough right now, they wouldn't even consider selling him for £1.6 after one season.

 

[Scotchegg]

So is Rob Atkinson and he's already here

why buy 1 or both of the others when with your thought process they might get injured next season

That wasn't my thought process as you know. The point that you missed was that there are no guarantees that player valuations will increase. Loss of form, injury, other better players coming available, less time remaining on their contract etc means that the valuation can drop.

 

[OxfordYankee]

The ability to play the ball out of defence is hugely attractive, more so the further up the leagues you go. That puts a premium on players like Atkinson, but he can still be defensively naive and that is why there will still be a limit on what teams will spend as he remains a work in progress.

Jason Kerr has attracted interest from Bournemouth as mentioned and was in the team of the season in Scotland. But he may not have quite the same ceiling as RA and is in the last year of his contract which is why his fee would be much lower.

Well I’m looking forward to seeing a lesser player than the one we have. A real treat, that.

Not that he will come to us us if a too-end Championship team are serious.

 

[horseman]

The ability to play the ball out of defence is hugely attractive, more so the further up the leagues you go. That puts a premium on players like Atkinson, but he can still be defensively naive and that is why there will still be a limit on what teams will spend as he remains a work in progress.

Jason Kerr has attracted interest from Bournemouth as mentioned and was in the team of the season in Scotland. But he may not have quite the same ceiling as RA and is in the last year of his contract which is why his fee would be much lower.

what happened to Celtic Rumours and if BCFC initial bid was 1.4 which we supposedly rejected what difference is 200k going to make that we suddenly rolled over?

 

[unification]

Just read the last few pages.

Are we really having this debate again?

Jeez.

I’ll say it again, if selling a player every calendar year for seven figures is failure and lack of ambition, Christ knows what fans must have thought the years 2000-2015 were.

I can’t be arsed arguing it again. £2m for Atkinson would be very good business.

 

[bazzer9461]

£2m for someone you isn't the finished article is exceptional! We are not having our pants pulled down, it's not peanuts, and very few league one players will go for anywhere near that amount this summer.

Atkinson may be worth more after another season, or he could have an injury like Nelson did and lose an entire season. Every player has their value and £2m for Atkinson and bringing in a player like Kerr will be very good business.

You talk of the old regime cashing in on Roofe, and for all his faults DE did sell at the top end. But Tiger et al have invested millions more than DE ever did and want the club to be sustainable. The training ground, youth and community set up all cost money. And whilst it might be spare change to some of them, they have to sell in order to reinvest under FFP.

I'm not sure what you honestly expect the club to do?

Allegedly it’s nearer 1.6 million plus add ons according to the Bristol news, apparently that’s a figure we are asking

 

[bazzer9461]

It's not like I'm suggesting telling a player he isn't leaving, for any price, or we should keep him here for the entirety of his contract, which would make us look unappealing to potential signings, but we shouldn't be letting a player of his quality and potential leave, after one season, for £1.6m, when he's already worth more than that, and in a years time, will be worth even more.

Players aren't just sold, for less than their worth, so they can leave to triple their wages, for fear of putting off potential future signings, most clubs will make sure they get their money's worth, and will sell when the timings right for them, and future players will still want to join them, Peterborough do it every year, and get such good money when they sell, because they obviously play hardball, and are no soft touches, or pushovers, they get the right prices for their players, and they sell when it's right for them, as they recognise that their own needs are just as important as the players needs, but it doesn't put players off does it, players keep going there.

If Atkinson was at Peterborough right now, they wouldn't even consider selling him for £1.6 after one season.

Off Course not they’re not silly when it comes to selling their players

 

[Scotchegg]

Well I’m looking forward to seeing a lesser player than the one we have. A real treat, that.

Not that he will come to us us if a too-end Championship team are serious.

A lesser player??? OK!!!!

 

[Jackinthebox]

Does anyone know what the Eastleigh cut is from the deal?

 

[Scotchegg]

Does anyone know what the Eastleigh cut is from the deal?

Around 20% I think.

 

[OxfordYankee]

A lesser player??? OK!!!!

Given the reported fees, I’ll await your justification of why the Kerr (whose value is a quarter to a fifth of Atkinson’s) is a better or equal talent.

 

[horseman]

That wasn't my thought process as you know. The point that you missed was that there are no guarantees that player valuations will increase. Loss of form, injury, other better players coming available, less time remaining on their contract etc means that the valuation can drop.

and the point you missed is that we brings players who limp into the building but quickly get rid of others in case they are limping next week that is just not logical.

you also missed that if we keep letting them go because they can get triple pay elsewhere at some point the conveyor belt grinds to a halt and then what?

We're still league 1 or worse hoping to hit top 6 when we need to be top 2

 

[Mellowyellow]

It’snot a disaster and 2 million profit in a year for a player we should be able to replace fairly well is certainly good. It’s just annoying that after one decent championship season he’ll be worth twice as much. I guess our only chance of capturing more of that is another club coming in and starting a bidding war.

And there lies the question, would it happen. After spending so long last year scratching around for defensive cover at CB, then when ruffles was injured, would the new board/decision maker sanction such a move. With players going pretty early this season, ruffles and rob, even with rumours abound that our budget will be bigger this year, realism with Oxford tells us otherwise.
What will be different with a different board is that kr doesn't have that thin veil of excuses he has had other years to hide behind, if the regular poor start comes about, regardless of what the regular suspects on here might think/spin.

 

[trickyricky]

2 million for L1 defender is cracking business. We can reinvest, buy in 3 key positions and maintain liquidity.

The people saying he is worth 6 million, are probably the same who said we shouldn't sell Baptiste for any less than £8 million.

Jokers.

 

[Scotchegg]

Given the reported fees, I’ll await your justification of why the Kerr (whose value is a quarter to a fifth of Atkinson’s) is a better or equal talent.

And that shows you're lack of understanding if players can only be judged on transfer fees.

 

[werthersoriginal]

The difference is, they were prioritising their own needs just as much as the players needs, and were getting excellent deals for their players, once THEY DECIDED to sell them, while we keep getting our pants pulled down, by players and clubs taking advantage of our nice guy and soft touch nature.

We need to start showing some teeth, that way, maybe we'll start keeping the team together for longer than a few months at a time, and then when WE DECIDE the time is right to let a player go, it will be on terms that are just as beneficial to us, as the player and the club he joins.

Maybe we did decide to sell Rob. We normally need to make a profit on player sales each year. And maybe we’re getting the highest price the market will bear for a pretty inexperienced defender. He’s not as good as Dickie was a year ago and we’re allegedly getting more money. You could say he has more potential but I don’t know how you’d assess and price that.

 

[Billy Billy]

Why is it then that BCFC are not pursuing Kerr?

Why were BCFC not pursuing Atkinson when we bought him? Could have saved themselves 1.6 mil?

 

[Mellowyellow]

Posh would be buying up the cream of league 2 / conference with the fees received.

Whilst also investing more of the fees they receive back into players, hence last season when Toney went there was a quality replacement waiting in the wings. Also, would Peterborough see lcp as a first team starter, having just signed his first professional contact. He may well do one day, when he is ready.

 

[Scotchegg]

and the point you missed is that we brings players who limp into the building but quickly get rid of others in case they are limping next week that is just not logical.

you also missed that if we keep letting them go because they can get triple pay elsewhere at some point the conveyor belt grinds to a halt and then what?

We're still league 1 or worse hoping to hit top 6 when we need to be top 2

That is all fine if we don't bring other players in. But if we sold Atkinson and brought 3 or 4 others in, extended existing contracts and developed a squad to aim for the top 2, would you be happy?