And so to Wembley

[Sheik djibouti]

Yeah I’m fairly PC but reckon that’s a stretch, surely the intent was to compare him to any large clumsy animal, regardless of its colour, and water buffaloes don’t really have a cultural association with black people

Maybe if the species chosen was of a different geographical origin, then it wouldn't be an issue.

That said, I can hardly see the said Fleetwood official likening him to the Emperor of Exmoor . . . .that would surely be construed as a complement....

 

[Scotchegg]

Cos I don't believe the reaction would have been the same

Would you like to comment on the tweet that Akinfemwa sent in February that likened himself to a Water Buffalo?

Has Dan Ageyi likened himself to any animals lately?

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Maybe if the species chosen was of a different geographical origin, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Well according to the ever reliable Wiki:

"The water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis) or domestic water buffalo is a large bovid originating in the Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and China. Today, it is also found in Europe, Australia, North America, South America and some African countries. The wild water buffalo (Bubalus arnee) native to South and Southeast Asia is considered a different species, but most likely represents the ancestor of the domestic water buffalo."

So unless the person who said it thought Akimfenwa was from Asia then it *is* from a different geographical region!

 

[crashbang]

Akinfemwa is also a very outspoken character who certainly gives as good as he gets. He even depicted himself exactly as he now finds so offensive.

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Dan Agyei is a young man, quietly looking to make his way in the game. If he spoke out against abuse (racist or otherwise) I would be inclined to take note simple because he says so little. However, that wouldn't mean that I would see the comments as any more (or less) racist or offensive regardless of who was involved.

This reminds me of when Suarez was found guilty of racism a few years back. A number of Liverpool fans scoured the net to find a way of spinning it as being an affectionate greeting.

Are you genuinely suggesting that some random Fleetwood representative thought, "months ago Akinfenwa described himself as a water buffalo, so now i'll abuse him for being one?"

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Well according to the ever reliable Wiki:

"The water buffalo (Bubalus bubalis) or domestic water buffalo is a large bovid originating in the Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and China. Today, it is also found in Europe, Australia, North America, South America and some African countries. The wild water buffalo (Bubalus arnee) native to South and Southeast Asia is considered a different species, but most likely represents the ancestor of the domestic water buffalo."

So unless the person who said it thought Akimfenwa was from Asia then it *is* from a different geographical region!

LOL!

And I'm sure said Fleetwood official KNEW all of that when he made his informed, well thought out comment.....

 

[crashbang]

What is 'the reaction' then?

That it is a woke response from Akinfenwa. He felt abused

 

[crashbang]

Would you like to comment on the tweet that Akinfemwa sent in February that likened himself to a Water Buffalo?

Has Dan Ageyi likened himself to any animals lately?

See previous post

 

[ZeroTheHero]

The problem with this is that it was 'abuse'. 'You are fat and run around like a great clumsy animal' is abuse. Fairly ill-thought out, crude, childish, school playground stuff, but abuse none the less. I'm struggling to see the racist element though (and I detest racists and bigots wholeheartedly. Some of my best friends are okapis). Of course if Akimfenwa was genuinely upset that's a shame, but really?
If we start reporting people to the authorities for such trivial and arguable things then IMO it devalues the serious horribleness of actual racism, because it gives the impression to some people that *this* is what the problem is.

 

[Scotchegg]

See previous post

Christ, you are a boring poster. Give an opinion!!

Akinfemwa posts in February comparing himself to a Water Buffalo being attacked by a Lion. 6 months later he is offending by the same comparison. Does that blur the lines of what is or isn't offensive?

And how does any of this compare with Dan Agyei?

 

[crashbang]

Christ, you are a boring poster. Give an opinion!!

Akinfemwa posts in February comparing himself to a Water Buffalo being attacked by a Lion. 6 months later he is offending by the same comparison. Does that blur the lines of what is or isn't offensive?

And how does any of this compare with Dan Agyei?

This is like saying that a rapper using the N word changes things if they are then called the N word.
It changes nothing. It's all about context

In terms of Dan Agyei, I believe that there would be greater outrage on here about what has been perceived by the recipient as a racist slur.

 

[bazzer9461]

I remember there was once a chant at Akinfenwa when he was at Wimbledon from our support of "have you ever seen your cock?" To which he laughed hysterically

And he still probably hasn’t ?

 

[Scotchegg]

This is like saying that a rapper using the N word changes things if they are then called the N word.
It changes nothing. It's all about context

In terms of Dan Agyei, I believe that there would be greater outrage on here about what has been perceived by the recipient as a racist slur.

I think you're wrong on both counts.

 

[m]

That it is a woke response from Akinfenwa. He felt abused

Bullshit.

I can see one 'woke' response and some discussion about whether or not it may be racist.

Away from that particular discussion I do not believe that the overwhelming majority of Oxford supporters would only react to racism if it was 'one of our own' which is clearly what you're implying.

Edit: For clarity, I'm not denying that Akinfenwa felt abused

 

[crashbang]

Bullshit.

I can see one 'woke' response and some discussion about whether or not it may be racist.

Away from that particular discussion I do not believe that the overwhelming majority of Oxford supporters would only react to racism if it was 'one of our own' which is clearly what you're implying.

Edit: For clarity, I'm not denying that Akinfenwa felt abused

My response was to the "woke" comment directly.
The implication in my answer is that those on here would react differently.

Most Oxford supporters would be horrified whoever it was aimed at.

 

[crashbang]

I think you're wrong on both counts.

Different opinions make the world go around.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

This is like saying that a rapper using the N word changes things if they are then called the N word.
It changes nothing. It's all about context

In terms of Dan Agyei, I believe that there would be greater outrage on here about what has been perceived by the recipient as a racist slur.

The 'N' word is a very special case, as you well know. So much so that neither you nor I want to even type it.
Neither of us has a problem with 'water buffalo' and whether there was *any* racist intent is - to say the least - debatable! If anyone uses the N word towards a black person there is no question of the intent.
The problem with this discussion is that I find myself *almost* arguing against the thing I believe, which is that racism is a blight. But if people are really going to be so easily offended (and that's a bit of a modern disease) then we are in trouble.
I would not be 'horrified' if someone called Agyei a 'water buffalo' any more than I would be if someone called Mackie a 'salamander' or Eastwood an 'egret'. All of them are just a bit stupid, and none of then have (as far as I can tell) any racist association.

 

[AbbeyOx]

Different opinions make the world go around.

i thought it was gravity

 

[amershamdave]

Because of the actions of an American cop pressing his knee down on a man's neck, half of the world are debating what is best.....black or white. How about this....Black people are actually brown and white people are........er.......what is the technical name for the colour of our skin? It sure ain't f*****g white! Being married to a foreigner, why can't we just say this......we are all human f*****g beings, with red blood. We eat, we drink, we pee, poo and die. Racists might say something different, as do religion-crazy fanatics......but it's true.

 

[m]

i thought it was gravity

Nup.

Disc suspended in space. Ain't going nowhere.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Nup.

Disc suspended in space. Ain't going nowhere.

Held up by elephants and turtles apparently.