General Mackie

[Paul Cannell]

i shall admonish myself by sitting on the naughty step

Kick Gove's a**e.

Mackie..... he has come on very late and had no impact as far as I can tell so at least it’s nice that I am not alone in thinking that.

It's his superhero power, they don't come cheap.

 

[Junior_1]

And that's because he looks after his players, and they all know that.

You don't play Mackie, and therefore he doesn't end up getting paid, then pretty soon you have a disgruntled senior pro on your hands. And then see what happens to the unity of the squad. Robinson knows what he's doing here.

The last time I can remember us benching a player for business reasons was Talbot & Bradbury in January 2006. I'm sure I don't need to remind you what happened at the end of that season.

Flipping it, we played Alex Jennien (sp) one to many times and it costed us another year on his contract.

As for Mackie, I’m 50/50 on it. Ipswich and yesterday, no problems. Other times, he’s not needed and what’s wrong with saving upwards of 1.8k on wages for a club who is losing money every week?

 

[Junior_1]

Do people think Mackie could/should be kept on as a coach? Admittedly I don't know him personally but doesn't strike me as the 'coaching type', whereas Mous certainly does. Bench also starts to get a bit crowded if both got 1st team coaching roles

No.

 

[Junior_1]

Regardless of why it happens - and it DOES happen, despite some people still pretending he isn’t purposefully being subbed on in every game for the appearance fees - I think it makes digs about lack of funds / investment coming from the dugout a bit trickier when we’re essentially dishing out an extra wage in appearance fees. You can sub Jamie Mackie on for two minutes a game or you can tell him to sit down and shut up if he wants to have a tantrum over it, because he’s a player and he can do what he’s told, and possibly afford an extra loan player in January as a result. He signed the deal - he knew the risks. If he doesn’t get on every game then tough luck. It isn’t about him.

Don’t buy this “ooooh it shows the world we look after our players!” claptrap either. It shows that preferential treatment is available to the right characters. What about the other players who might be losing out on appearance fees themselves, or young and developing players losing out on potentially vital experience? Is this looking after them? We’ve already had to watch as Dan Agyei gets handcuffed to the stands for six months, before overtaking Mackie’s goals tally inside a handful of sub appearances. His cameos are now getting so short that they’re almost comical, and nobody can claim they serve a purpose in terms of contributions anymore. It’s a seriously odd thing to watch. We’re only a couple of games away from it getting to the point where he runs on for a goal kick, the whistle blows as the ball sails into the air, and he then turns around and trots down the tunnel without breaking stride.

Whatever. He might still get on for no reason but at least he’s finally gone from starting every other game to being the token third sub, while Taylor bangs in goals for fun and Agyei is making an impact. The team certainly seems to be benefitting. And we all support the club, not certain individuals, right?

Spot f*****g on.

 

[TailsWeWin]

Spot f*****g on.

My thoughts exactly. Well; 2/3 of it.

 

[PottersRightBoot]

What are supporters actually complaining about on this thread? Mackie is being used successfully by the manager and has played an important role this season. Here we are having our most successful season for nearly 25 years and still the search for scapegoats goes on. Clearly the end is nigh for Jamie Mackie at this level but I like seeing him come on to close games down; he’s crafty and effective.

 

[Scotchegg]

We've won 3 of the last 5 by a single goal. In those circumstances, 99% of managers across the country would have made late substitutions to take a bit of time out of the game and bring on someone able to see out the win. If you look at our bench, Mackie has been the best person for this role in these games.

But it's too easy to twist a perfectly normal situation into one where people can have their usual moans about Mackie and Robinson. "We support the club, not individuals" some say, but they seem very happy to put the boot into certain individuals without any real justification.

No one know what would have happened if Kelly had come on instead of Mackie, or if no changes had of been made. But the decisions made have brought us 15 points in the 3 weeks and that is surely all that matters?

 

[TailsWeWin]

We've won 3 of the last 5 by a single goal. In those circumstances, 99% of managers across the country would have made late substitutions to take a bit of time out of the game and bring on someone able to see out the win. If you look at our bench, Mackie has been the best person for this role in these games.

But it's too easy to twist a perfectly normal situation into one where people can have their usual moans about Mackie and Robinson. "We support the club, not individuals" some say, but they seem very happy to put the boot into certain individuals without any real justification.

No one know what would have happened if Kelly had come on instead of Mackie, or if no changes had of been made. But the decisions made have brought us 15 points in the 3 weeks and that is surely all that matters?

“Someone able to see out the win.” I’d argue that, say, Thorne is less likely to give away a foul, has better close control and passing accuracy and would be a safer option if we have a few minutes left to play. I agree that JM has managed the necessary few minutes so far but I’m not confident that his first action on coming on late would not be to commit a foul (as happened, for instance, against Southend).

 

[RyanioBirdio]

What are supporters actually complaining about on this thread? Mackie is being used successfully by the manager and has played an important role this season. Here we are having our most successful season for nearly 25 years and still the search for scapegoats goes on. Clearly the end is nigh for Jamie Mackie at this level but I like seeing him come on to close games down; he’s crafty and effective.

I don’t think anybody closes the game down by coming on for 90 seconds, which in turn puts more time on the clock rather than running it down, and then basically not even touching the ball. I think that’s somebody getting their bonus money, which I also find odd when there’s moaning going on about not investing while we choose to eat up finances in this way. It isn’t scapegoating at all to roll your eyes at it, but it’s pretty hilarious watching people cheer an old man limping around for less than two minutes at a time while going “Great tactics! What experience! So canny and shrewd!” I can only imagine how some people must have reacted when their child first used the potty.

As I always say - some people support the football club and some people support the individuals. I’m having a great time watching people do the latter and tie themselves in knots. Almost as much fun as the football!

 

[werthersoriginal]

I think everyone is overthinking

 

[PottersRightBoot]

I don’t think anybody closes the game down by coming on for 90 seconds, which in turn puts more time on the clock rather than running it down, and then basically not even touching the ball. I think that’s somebody getting their bonus money, which I also find odd when there’s moaning going on about not investing while we choose to eat up finances in this way. It isn’t scapegoating at all to roll your eyes at it, but it’s pretty hilarious watching people cheer an old man limping around for less than two minutes at a time while going “Great tactics! What experience! So canny and shrewd!” I can only imagine how some people must have reacted when their child first used the potty.

As I always say - some people support the football club and some people support the individuals. I’m having a great time watching people do the latter and tie themselves in knots. Almost as much fun as the football!

The football is far more fun than reading this mildly amusing self justifying B*****s ?

 

[Gary Baldi]

I'm sure Mackie and some at the club are having a good laugh at the contents of this thread.

You know things are going well when...

 

[OxfordNondie]

What's great cometh 4.45 next Saturday v MKD with 2 mins to play and us winning 5 nill we will ALL be watching any late substitutions with great interest
COYY

 

[Scotchegg]

What's great cometh 4.45 next Saturday v MKD with 2 mins to play and us winning 5 nill we will ALL be watching any late substitutions with great interest
COYY

But some of us will be celebrating winning our 6th game in a row rather than having a school girl hissy fit over substitutions!!!

 

[maidenheadox]

Whatever appearance money Mackie may or may not be getting it's a drop in the ocean compared to the type of investment that would be needed for a championship squad, or indeed just to sign and pay a Chris Cadden. No-one here knows the intricacies of his contract or what assurances he may have been given. It's a complete non-issue and I'm now a bit annoyed with myself for letting myself get pulled down the rabbit hole on this one

 

[ZeroTheHero]

I'm just glad that Taylor is fit, so that Mackie is coming on in the 88th minute rather than starting!

 

[Paul Cannell]

I don’t think anybody closes the game down by coming on for 90 seconds, which in turn puts more time on the clock rather than running it down, and then basically not even touching the ball.

I think you're missing a point somewhere; with Mackie it's not about what he does or doesn't do, it's about how he does or doesn't do it. And I repeat that Saturday was a fine performance, almost elegant - not touching the ball was the icing on a glorious cake of a performance.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

I think you're missing a point somewhere; with Mackie it's not about what he does or doesn't do, it's about how he does or doesn't do it. And I repeat that Saturday was a fine performance, almost elegant - not touching the ball was the icing on a glorious cake of a performance.

 

[ttg17]

I don’t think anybody closes the game down by coming on for 90 seconds, which in turn puts more time on the clock rather than running it down, and then basically not even touching the ball

This happens at literally every level of the game though?

I’d argue that, say, Thorne is less likely to give away a foul, has better close control and passing accuracy and would be a safer option if we have a few minutes left to play.

There's obvious arguments the other way though, too - Mackie can hold the ball in the corner more effectively, say, and I would rather a player who's not up to the pace of the game as they've just come on giving away the odd freekick in the attacking third than a CDM being used as our defensive shield for the final few minutes, which is a much more important position in that circumstance.

What are supporters actually complaining about on this thread?

Bang on, it's really weird

 

[Paul Cannell]

This happens at literally every level of the game though?

Yes. The reason is that loads of managers do deals with worn-out carthorse-type players in which the players split their pay-per-game fee 50/50 with the manager. This is common practice throughout the game - just axe Ryan.