Mellowyellow
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Oxbible is convinced that it is a matter of sorting the contract length etc, and we will have him as manager. He has turned down 2 offers,, but his reliable source insists its only a matter of time.
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Simon Grayson
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The perfect candidate.
Shame it's from OxBabble and probably isn't true.
Shame it's from OxBabble and probably isn't true.
Mellowyellow
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My only concern over greyson, and it might not even be one. Is he the type of manager that will play the youth and bring then them through, as while his cv is impressive at this level, if he’s not going to do that then he doesn’t really fit with what we’re trying to do. And mark warbourton becomes the better candidate
Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
Whoever it is gets a deal until the end of the season with an option to extend/renew. If they are doing a good job and it fits with what the club wants then fine, if not, adios mark 2.
Sadly good managers with options (which is surely what we want) don't take contracts like that. They'd be on a hiding to nothing with little time to affect real change and no window to work with.
OxfordBoy
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
And why would any half decent candidate accept those terms?
I'll answer for you, they wouldn't
Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
So we just go ahead and hire someone and give them carte blanche to cock it up again? Clothead was the next big thing and look what that's done for us.
horseman
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So may one enquire what you anticipate/expect from a manager coming to a club sat comfortably in mid table for the remainder of the season?
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That’s the gamble u take appointing any manager. The more u do ur research, hold a decent interview process and appoint someone who fits with what ur trying to do, the less likely it’s a problem.
Pep looked a good appointment as he was a highly regarded coach, maybe more emphasis should have been made in the interview that players would be signed on model rather than own choices. There again we didn’t have to agree to them.
If u want to appoint a manager that’s going to grow with u and meet our ambition, then u have to match that with what u offer them. A deal till the end of the season won’t attract greyson or warburton as they know they can get better, it won’t attract cowley or Nolan as who would give up what they are doing for 3 months work. They also have no chance to stamp their mark in 3 months without a transfer window.
2 year deal with agreed increases and extensions if targets are met
Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
One may.
Entertaining football played by a team that is engaged and displaying a desire to win and be successful.
As to being "sat comfortably in mid-table" I think that is an illusion. Repeating the performances of recent would see us drifting ever closer to the relegation zone.
OxfordBoy
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
As Dave pointed out it's nothing to do with giving them 'carte blanche'
It's about if you refuse to give anything longer than a 6 month contract then the only managers going to be interested are those desperate to get back into work
The likes of Warburton, Lampard and Grayson are all unlikely to come here anyway no matter what we offer, if we give them 6 months and restrict their transfer dealings then we have no chance of any one like that coming in
horseman
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if i understood you correctly, you would be ok/prefer a short term appointment ? even if that happened you still have to make a Long Term decision on that person or a n other come the summer.
Whoever comes on whatever length of contract is a gamble to an extent anyway right?
You would expect that immediately? It would be achievement to come in and get anything like that by the start of next season, took Appleton a whole season at a lower level to do it.
When you say he’s turned down two offers does that mean by us or from two other clubs?
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Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
I would expect it. The team has players who should deliver. The new, youthful players brought in should be able to deliver their part towards a rejuvenated team. I am of the belief that clothead tactically got things wrong. He brought in players with no pace. That pace is, potentially, back. Given that Chrissie Allen has more influence alongside Faz we should expect better performances. We are not going to get promoted this season but at least we should be able to expect some decent entertainment?
And why shouldn't the club play hard ball with managers? Why should we allow them to dictate? You want a job? Show us that you have what we want. Why go cap in hand to every Tom Dick and Harry?
OxfordBoy
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Because they'd reject us and we'd miss out on all our targets?
It's hardly cap in hand is it?? Offering them a reasonable length contract to be able to implement some of their ideas. Offer perspective managers to the end of the season and you can wipe 95% of the names from the list doing the rounds at the moment. And what if one does take up the contract, does great things with us and gets us to the play offs or there about and then gets offered a better job and walks for nothing??
I was told a while back that DE wanted Grayson. He was number one choice over everyone else. I can see why he’d want him. It’s the best appointment we could make right now. So you have to strike while the iron is hot. These lge one specialists/Championship managers don’t stay out of work long. His record in this division speaks for itself.
If he comes then brilliant job by DE and the board. If he doesn’t I will still support whoever gets the job.
If he comes then brilliant job by DE and the board. If he doesn’t I will still support whoever gets the job.
windmill
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
I really believe the Chairman should give the job to Faz until the season's end. I do not like it myself----it would be nice to have a new face and new broom as they say. Something to give the fans a lift. However, Faz and Chrissie surely know the players who are simply not up to it....As I say, I am not in favour of it , but it may be the best option in the end. Lets just get over the finishing line. And I do not mean promotion!
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
(428 Apps, 79 Gls)
- Year of First Game
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Did you have to? I was Just having afternoon tea and taking a bite out a jam spread scone and nearly choked.
Ince is part of the early years of the premiership players crowd, who think because they were big names as players they should walk into any job going. See also - Tony Adams and Teddy Sheringham.
windmill
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
Why is he out of work ?
Look at who he managed! You might get the answer.
A big club, but a poisoned chalice. Even Coleman is struggling. You put the best managers in the world there, in the exact situation they would all struggle.
greatunclekip
Level: Steve Basham
(189 Apps, 51 Gls)
To be a little fair, Ince started his career brilliantly. The Job he did at Macc was incredible, then got MK dons promoted and won at Wembley. Did poor at Blackpool and Notts county. But a certain Mr Appleton had a horror show prior to us.
Im not saying hes the answer but i dont think hes quite in the Utter dross category.
For me, its still all about Cowley with Grayson a close second.
I believe it will be Faz in reality.