National News Incoming changes to (car) mot this weekend

[Sarge]

Huge changes to car mot this weekend....amongst other changes it appears diesel vehicles (a few years ago the then government told 'us' diesel was the way to go btw), are going to be demonized and legislated off the UK roads, purportedly to make the UK roads cleaner and safer

How about fixing the potholes and co-ordinate roadworks to not cause massive hold ups (Woodstock road AND headley way both ongoing simultaneously gridlocking Oxford City for example, great planning ox county council highways dept-NOT), that would make roads both safer and cleaner I reckon

 

[ljs]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

Yes, but we all have to be herded into paying more.
Unfortunately, the taxman will be forced to accept millions more in revenue to spend in any way but reducing our cheesy carbon footprint.

 

[tonyw]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

I don't think anyone argues that Diesel cars produce less CO2 than petrol equivalents.....that's why there was such a rush to buy them 5-10 years ago, they were more efficient.

It's more particulates and NOx that is what's driving the legislation. Although even there, the comparative studies are not 100% clear.

 

[makv]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

It’s not CO2 that’s the issue

 

[Sarge]

Well, personally Im pleased that the diesel-fuelled Sargemobile passed her MOT earlier today

 

[ljs]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

It’s not CO2 that’s the issue

Says who?

Suddenly co2 emissions are unimportant?

 

[ljs]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

I don't think anyone argues that Diesel cars produce less CO2 than petrol equivalents.....that's why there was such a rush to buy them 5-10 years ago, they were more efficient.

It's more particulates and NOx that is what's driving the legislation. Although even there, the comparative studies are not 100% clear.

I'm not sure that your average buyer realise diesels produce far lower co2... Then just see the headline that diesels are now bad...

 

[Craig]

Well, personally Im pleased that the diesel-fuelled Sargemobile passed her MOT earlier today

It’s not called the Army Surplus Special? Little disappointed, I must admit.

 

[makv]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

It’s not CO2 that’s the issue

Says who?

Suddenly co2 emissions are unimportant?

They are important. But that’s not the sole thing that is measured these days is it? Hence diesel’s demise. I wonder what’s going to happen to all those excess middle distillates from US refineries now…?

 

[makv]

Well, personally Im pleased that the diesel-fuelled Sargemobile passed her MOT earlier today

It’s not called the Army Surplus Special? Little disappointed, I must admit.


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[ljs]

It's a myth that petrol cars are less polluting than diesel. For equivalent cars the petrol version pumps out far more co2.

For example take a look at something like a Ford focus on nextgreencar.com. The diesel version is given a 36 out of 100 and the petrol 47. The higher figure is the more polluting.

It’s not CO2 that’s the issue

Says who?

Suddenly co2 emissions are unimportant?

They are important. But that’s not the sole thing that is measured these days is it? Hence diesel’s demise. I wonder what’s going to happen to all those excess middle distillates from US refineries now…?

In the example I gave using nextgreencar.com it measured both co2 and nox output. It still came to the conclusion of the petrol version as the most polluting overall...

 

[Morris Oxford]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/how_toxic_is_your_car_exhaust

How toxic is your car exhaust?
It's not easy to find out.

Lengthy but interesting article, worth a read.

 

[pooshooter]

I am confident I'll die before being forced into having an electric car

 

[ZeroTheHero]

I would get an electric car in a shot if:

a) They went for 300 miles before needing to be recharged or the recharging took five minutes
b) I was that convinced that the overall environmental damage was hugely less
c) They weren't so bloody expensive

Whatever happened to hydrogen cell cars that only produced water as an emission? Are they still a thing?

 

[Gary Baldi]

I had a conversation with a friend about electric cars and where the power came from. Suffice to say, they hadn't considered that, or how invasive mining is and the scarcity of some elements in batteries are. Electric Cars are not sustainable or environmentally friendly - I read an article that stated the power grid wouldn't suffer with more ownership as owners would charge them overnight. Which just won't happen in the real world!

 

[Paul Cannell]

I never found any study of how much pollution, unhealthiness and bad s**t it takes to make a nice environmentally friendly car compared to what I was causing driving around in a stinky 15 year old diesel (the point being that it has already been made). So I kept it till it died and replaced it with a 10 year old.

 

[Gary Baldi]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...tric-cars-battery-manufacturing-cobalt-mining

As the cobalt becomes harder to find, more risks are taken and more landscapes scarred.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Can't someone just invent the matter transporter?

 

[Sarge]

Can't someone just invent the matter transporter?

Didn't Gene Roddenberry hatch the concept ....'beam me up Scotty'

 

[makv]

I would get an electric car in a shot if:

a) They went for 300 miles before needing to be recharged or the recharging took five minutes
b) I was that convinced that the overall environmental damage was hugely less
c) They weren't so bloody expensive

Whatever happened to hydrogen cell cars that only produced water as an emission? Are they still a thing?

They all exploded

 

[makv]

I had a conversation with a friend about electric cars and where the power came from. Suffice to say, they hadn't considered that, or how invasive mining is and the scarcity of some elements in batteries are. Electric Cars are not sustainable or environmentally friendly - I read an article that stated the power grid wouldn't suffer with more ownership as owners would charge them overnight. Which just won't happen in the real world!

Indeed. Where does the electricity come from? Coal-fired stations, that’s where.

 

[Sarge]

They all exploded

unsuprisingly ..... I heard they went like a bomb

 

[Whingit]

Indeed. Where does the electricity come from? Coal-fired stations, that’s where.

Not right now it doesn't. http://gridwatch.co.uk/

 

[Gary Baldi]

Indeed. Where does the electricity come from? Coal-fired stations, that’s where.

The UK doesn't have enough spare capacity in the power grid to support a considerable large amount of electric cars being added to it. Unless we invest considerably in Nuclear Power or frack for our lives, something has to give. Hydrogen cells, for better or worse, are a realistic alternative to petrol and diesel.

 

[Oldham]

Blotters are the way forward, no emissions, no polluting the air, just put it on your tongue and you get a lovely trip to la la land.....oh sorry ?

 

[Corporate_Clive]

Huge changes to car mot this weekend....amongst other changes it appears diesel vehicles (a few years ago the then government told 'us' diesel was the way to go btw), are going to be demonized and legislated off the UK roads, purportedly to make the UK roads cleaner and safer

How about fixing the potholes and co-ordinate roadworks to not cause massive hold ups (Woodstock road AND headley way both ongoing simultaneously gridlocking Oxford City for example, great planning ox county council highways dept-NOT), that would make roads both safer and cleaner I reckon

I 100% agree Sir.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

I had a conversation with a friend about electric cars and where the power came from. Suffice to say, they hadn't considered that, or how invasive mining is and the scarcity of some elements in batteries are. Electric Cars are not sustainable or environmentally friendly - I read an article that stated the power grid wouldn't suffer with more ownership as owners would charge them overnight. Which just won't happen in the real world![/QUOTE
Its happening. Get with the programme.

 

[Oslernorth]

Do the new MOT rules affect older petrol cars?

 

[Cass63]

Not emission wise, it’s more to do with cars with particulate filters, if you’ve got an older car the manufactures had emission limits relevant at that time (higher than they are now) so they can’t expect your old car to conform to today’s limits, if they did, it would wipe out most of the cars on the road. But there are changes to reverse lights, front fog lights and headlamp washers, which, if fitted have to work, excessive fluid leaks.
Also, the failure listings have changed, instead of pass, fail and advise it’s now dangerous, major and minor. I think, if you get a dangerous fail, the tester can stop you from taking the car on the road until it’s fixed or scrapped.