General Nothing really changes...........much

[Essexyellows]

Just for @Sheik djibouti
Been sorting some old family stuff out, including a plethora of newspaper cuttings and I came across this on the flip side of one such cutting.
A letters page from 1991 berating the government on workers' rights, the EEC, railway & tube strikes, interest rates ......... it could have been written last week not 31 years ago.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

You'd struggle to get to Austria for £69 though, that much has changed

But yes you're right....another Tory government past it's sell by date, just as it was back then.

Maybe next time the Tories tell people they are better off with a Conservative government, the electorate will have the minerals to call bullshit and turf them out. The last 12 years have seen unprecedented levels of Tory bullshit afterall...

 

[Essexyellows]

You'd struggle to get to Austria for £69 though, that much has changed

But yes you're right....another Tory government past it's sell by date, just as it was back then.

Maybe next time the Tories tell people they are better off with a Conservative government, the electorate will have the minerals to call bullshit and turf them out. The last 12 years have seen unprecedented levels of Tory bullshit afterall...

Middle ground is what matters.
Thatcher made more of us.
Blair acknowledged us.
Boris appealed to us.

Truss or Starmer........................... what a choice.

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

Just for @Sheik djibouti
Been sorting some old family stuff out, including a plethora of newspaper cuttings and I came across this on the flip side of one such cutting.
A letters page from 1991 berating the government on workers' rights, the EEC, railway & tube strikes, interest rates ......... it could have been written last week not 31 years ago.
View attachment 9679

So basically life is rubbish under the Conservatives?

 

[SteMerritt]

Middle ground is what matters.
Thatcher made more of us.
Blair acknowledged us.
Boris appealed to us.

Truss or Starmer........................... what a choice.

Boris certainly didn't appeal to the middle ground, more to little Englanders.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Middle ground is what matters.
Thatcher made more of us.
Blair acknowledged us.
Boris appealed to us.

Truss or Starmer........................... what a choice.

And this demonstrates EXACTLY why you are labouring under the misapprehension that you are in the middle ground. You're not!

Thatcher appealed to the greedy, and selfish (no such thng as society, smash the unions and worker protections, let the city run riot . . remember?)

Blair did much the same, but with more social and societal conscience, plus mastered control of the media (for a while at least)

Boris is as described. He appealed to the more base, populist, small-minded, nationalist tendencies...as well as promising all that Thatcher and Blair did. He won the 2019 election on a single issue, nothing more. Levelling up is a sham/scam, Brexit continues to be a disaster, immigration? - don't make me laugh! And lets not start on Covid because, aside from him and his chums partying whilst people died, there is an awful lot of dirty deeds and underhandedness to come out of the woodwork where that is concerned....
It took you long enough to realise he was a snake oil salesman though...and unfortunately your boys and girls on the right are following exactly the same path.

I'm afraid your vote has been bought by the promise of your individual lot being made better/protected, but far far more people have suffered and continue to as a result.

 

[Essexyellows]

Boris certainly didn't appeal to the middle ground, more to little Englanders.

Of course he didn`t, hence the thumping majority he received.................... or are all those red wall voters "little englanders" ?

 

[SteMerritt]

Of course he didn`t, hence the thumping majority he received.................... or are all those red wall voters "little englanders" ?

Thumping majority of 40 percent of the vote. Most didn't vote for him, as you well know. The Red Wall voted for him because of lies about levelling up, which they have seen through judging by bielection results.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Thumping majority of 40 percent of the vote. Most didn't vote for him, as you well know. The Red Wall voted for him because of lies about levelling up, which they have seen through judging by bielection results.

Stop talking sense Ste.

And yes, Boris bullshitted his way into No10. he's bullshitted his way into every job he's every done....and he got the PM gig out of sheer desperation from enough of the elecorate....many of whom would now happily admit they had a bit of a brain fart no doubt.

I mean goodness me....if you are still pedalling the line that Boris is popular, based on anything other than a load of old guff then you need help

 

[Essexyellows]

Thumping majority of 40 percent of the vote. Most didn't vote for him, as you well know. The Red Wall voted for him because of lies about levelling up, which they have seen through judging by bielection results.

Good old FPTP........................
By-elections mid-term are notoriously fickle, then throw in some porn, a dash of cake, and there you go.
With the suggestion from the BoE about recession etc the policies leading up to the next GE will define how well off the individual feels or perceive themselves to be.
Folk may post about the moral high ground and caring for the less fortunate, but it's their own household that matters most, not the neighbours.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Good old FPTP........................
By-elections mid-term are notoriously fickle, then throw in some porn, a dash of cake, and there you go.
With the suggestion from the BoE about recession etc the policies leading up to the next GE will define how well off the individual feels or perceive themselves to be.
Folk may post about the moral high ground and caring for the less fortunate, but it's their own household that matters most, not the neighbours.

In your world, maybe.....

 

[m]

Good old FPTP........................
By-elections mid-term are notoriously fickle, then throw in some porn, a dash of cake, and there you go.
With the suggestion from the BoE about recession etc the policies leading up to the next GE will define how well off the individual feels or perceive themselves to be.
Folk may post about the moral high ground and caring for the less fortunate, but it's their own household that matters most, not the neighbours.

Porn and cake.

I wish I were an MP.

 

[Essexyellows]

In your world, maybe.....

Cut the bull everyone looks after themselves first.

What you spare for others is defined by your personal needs.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Cut the bull everyone looks after themselves first.

What you spare for others is defined by your personal needs.

Nope. Not if you have belief in your own ability are prepared to work, commit/be dedicated. Couple that with a large slice of good fortune and privilege because of your background/sex/ethnicity and the right opportunity and you don't need to be quite so self-absorbed and self-centred, because you know you can carve out a more than comfortable existence if you want it badly enough. I don;t have to worry about me and you don;t have to worry quite so much about you - have a bit more self belief!

I much prefer "the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its weak and vulnerable" to Thatchers take of "no such thing as society" and I would much prefer a government who were focused more on the former and less on how they can give more away to corporations and billionaires in tax breaks in the vain hope that the ludicrous, de-bunked concept of trickle-down economics might work one day, somewhere. The government are there to serve every single one of us, whether we voted for them or not and some need them to help and protect them far more than others. They don't need to continue to gratify or indulge the rich or well-off or even the comfortably off - yet that is what they continue to do. And before you accuse me of jealousy - far from it. The well-off can and will look after themselves and they certainly don't need the state pandering to them.

It's a pretty perverse version of civilisation which has created increasing numbers of millionaires each and every year AND increasing numbers in fuel and food poverty, of food bank users and families below the poverty along with an ever increasing gap in income inequality since records began. This has been going on way before the current COL crisis. That only serves to exaggerate just how bad the inequality was to begin with.

Unfortunately, you've seemingly fallen for the old Tory/capitalist project fear that you need to protect what's yours because if you don't, someone (probably a lefty or foreigner) will take it all from you. And that the only way to make sure it is protected is by making sure those who already have more than they can possibly spend in ten lifetimes even richer, in the vain hope that the rest of us might get to feed off their crumbs. And finally, that if we don't protect the rich, they will up sticks and take their wealth elsewhere. It's all utter horseshit and they've managed to practically make Scrooge an inspirational character!

Finally - what are you so worried about. You;'re in a bomb-proof job with a cast-iron pension scheme and on the cusp of retirement - you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Isn't it abut time you started putting others first because you'll be more than fine from what you've said on here

 

[SteMerritt]

Ah, makes sense now.

 

[Essexyellows]

Finally - what are you so worried about. You;'re in a bomb-proof job with a cast-iron pension scheme and on the cusp of retirement - you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Isn't it abut time you started putting others first because you'll be more than fine from what you've said on here

Shows how much you assume about people from posts on here.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Shows how much you assume about people from posts on here.

Nope - only based on your constant "what's in it for me and mine first" approach to practically everything, which you have amply evidenced through your thousands upon thousands of posts on here.

You've said it, nobody has assumed it